Old stuff, 1988 or so...

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Tj Shredder
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1263 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:16 am

This was on my first CD from Badland Records. It did not get so much attention so I wonder what you all think about it.
First listen, later I will explain how it was done back then...

https://soundcloud.com/ondes-memorielle ... -the-voice

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vurt
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37215 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

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Post Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:35 am

:o nice!
very 2001 in parts but with some nice detours along the way 8)
love the tribal rhythm morph section :love:

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Tj Shredder
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Post Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:09 pm

It was made with a single sample, a cry sung by Diamanda Galas during a warm-up in the hallway of Künstlerhaus Bethanien in Berlin. I used a program I wrote in Modula II to drive a Casio FZ-10m and a Akai S-612. Recorded to a Fostex A-8 to do a mix.

Another example made with the same technique but a different sample (that one is more obvious)...

https://soundcloud.com/ondes-memorielle ... e-of-music

It got included into a sampler from the German Keyboards magazin in 1988 with an extremly diverse collection of music made by the readers of that magazin...
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ChamMusic
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887 posts since 12 Jun, 2006 from Birmingham, UK

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Post Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:50 pm

Interesting creation...

I know very little about Modula 2 apart from it was created by Wirth, (my son studies Maths and Computing at Uni and he recognized the name). I do know that all those early programming languages were tricky little buggers to use..impressive!

Looking at the name - was it a modular system then? Not many were at that time from what I remember.
Mark Taylor
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Tj Shredder
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Post Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:12 pm

ChamMusic wrote:Interesting creation...

I know very little about Modula 2 apart from it was created by Wirth, (my son studies Maths and Computing at Uni and he recognized the name). I do know that all those early programming languages were tricky little buggers to use..impressive!

Looking at the name - was it a modular system then? Not many were at that time from what I remember.
Modula 2 was the successor of Pascal, just a programming language less error prone than C...
Since I switched to Max in the early 90s, I never looked back to what I call „lines of code“ programming, though I could and still can include it into my Max/MSP patches as Javascript or Java...
The mind set of Max is modelled after a Modular system, but the algorithms I used in those old pieces are recursive, hard to put into a patch, but possible...

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ChamMusic
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Post Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:57 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
ChamMusic wrote:Interesting creation...

I know very little about Modula 2 apart from it was created by Wirth, (my son studies Maths and Computing at Uni and he recognized the name). I do know that all those early programming languages were tricky little buggers to use..impressive!

Looking at the name - was it a modular system then? Not many were at that time from what I remember.
Modula 2 was the successor of Pascal, just a programming language less error prone than C...
Since I switched to Max in the early 90s, I never looked back to what I call „lines of code“ programming, though I could and still can include it into my Max/MSP patches as Javascript or Java...
The mind set of Max is modelled after a Modular system, but the algorithms I used in those old pieces are recursive, hard to put into a patch, but possible...
Thanks for the info...Pascal I have heard of!
Mark Taylor
Chameleon Music

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vurt
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37215 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

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Post Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am

hopefully well get to hear some more up to date stuff too 8)
as well as more of the old :D

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biodiode
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Post Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:19 pm

Interesting, especially the back story of how these were done. Sounds like the early Berlin School/Avante Garde stuff.

rp314
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2125 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from The city by the bay

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Post Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:22 pm

:clap: For the interesting works

But

1988 being classified as "Old stuff"... :x :P

:D

fastlanephil
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Post Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:17 pm

I found it quite worth listening to as experimental music. It seemed to have sort of steel drum thing in one spot.

I bought Pascal with my Mac 512e in 87 after learning BASIC but I never persued it. I did use some intelligent instruments such as Midi Mouse, written by composer Laurie Spiegel, that you played using the mouse that manipulated chording algorithms. I used it for back ground music at my younger brother’s wedding and got away with it. :D

Good work!

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Tj Shredder
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Post Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:48 am

Actually the first Pascal versions of that appeared on an Apple ][ compatible with Z-80 card running Turbo Pascal. Later I got a Gepard computer you most likely never heard of. The first incarnation used the Apple ][ as console. It was a 68000 computer in a 19" rack, I had to solder my own Midi card. It had its own operating system, a bit like the Apple Pascal, but based on Modula II...
Old memories...

The complete CD that was published back then, I just placed on Bandcamp:

https://tj-shredder.bandcamp.com/album/ ... ariationen

Have fun to listen to the lot...

For the lazy ones the 2nd Track:

https://soundcloud.com/ondes-memorielle ... ders-music

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Tj Shredder
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Post Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:16 am

Another old one, made during a computer music course at TU Berlin. Done with a Syter, the predecessor of the GRM tools. It was a hardware device with a trackpad as controller, but I had only access to it for a very short time...
That time I was travelling Europe always with a Sony Walkman professional for field recordings...
The cover shows me and the mother of my kids covered in mud, at one of the 4 hot springs featured in that piece. The other springs had the sound of waves, as it was under water, one was just hot steam, close to that was a beehive, and then there was a public one where all these kids where playing...

https://soundcloud.com/ondes-memorielle ... antelleria

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Tj Shredder
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Post Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:38 am

biodiode wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:19 pm
Interesting, especially the back story of how these were done. Sounds like the early Berlin School/Avante Garde stuff.
; - ) The first concert I ever had was at an event called "Berliner Elektroniknacht" with a lot of back then unknown musicians in our group like Mario Schönwälder and Bernd Kistenmacher forming the second wave of Berlin School. Though I would never call my music part of that genre...
I did learn a lot in Christopher Frankes Studio, as I was his assistant before he migrated to Hollywood...
Yes, there is a connection...

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vurt
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37215 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

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Post Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:55 am

donut electronic night? :hihi:

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Tj Shredder
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Post Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:09 pm

Donuts are missing a center, Berliner have a surprise in the center!
Don‘t mix that up...

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