[feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

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antic604
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3981 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:49 am

While Bitwig was one of the first to provide really good and consistent support for high-DPI screens (eg. 4K laptops) by resizing the VSTs to follow Windows' scaling settings, in recent months other DAWs pulled ahead in how they handle it.

Specifically this concerns plugins - like from U-He, Arturia, D. Sches, Reveal Sound and others - that allow the user to change the size of the GUI, usually in few increments ranging from 50% to 200% or so. How is it problematic?

Let's consider an example:
  1. I'm running Bitwig on Surface Pro 4, Win10 with a 200% scaling (both in Windows and Bitwig),
  2. When I open U-He's RePro-1, Bitwig will run it at 100% size AND stretch it x2 following the 200% Windows scaling factor, resulting in a sharp, but 2x2 pixels,
  3. If I'd try to change the RePro-1's internal GUI size to 200%, it would simply get huge and stretch out of the screen,
  4. In Studio One 4.1 or Live 10.0.2 (both pretty recent upgrades) the default behaviour is the same, BUT user can - per plugin - decide to disable it and use plugins' internal scaling instead,
Compare those (open in separate tab, click to see them in full resolution):
Bitwig: https://i.imgur.com/uBysXOf.png
Studio One: https://i.imgur.com/9q8xfsf.png

It's not a huge difference (when seen normally on screen) but it becomes distracting especially on devices with a lot of contrast and high-frequency detail like grids, meshes, textured knobs, etc.

I think it's time devs added a - per-plugin - option to disable the scaling and leave it up to the plugin.
Bitwig 3 // Reason 11 // Studio One 4 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

Whywhy
KVRian
520 posts since 11 Aug, 2018

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:16 am

+1

don_looney
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215 posts since 18 Oct, 2015

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:01 am

+1
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Hanz Meyzer
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1479 posts since 20 Oct, 2014

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:09 am

And the same for the bitwig GUI itself, please. In macOS, there is such an option in the app properties, strangely Bitwig prevents to use it (only with workaround).

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antic604
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3981 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:37 am

Hanz Meyzer wrote:And the same for the bitwig GUI itself, please. In macOS, there is such an option in the app properties, strangely Bitwig prevents to use it (only with workaround).
Really? Isn't Bitwig itself sharp on macOS? Or are you saying you want to force low-res mode and can't do it?
Bitwig 3 // Reason 11 // Studio One 4 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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Fourstepper
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Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:54 am

Has this been implemented over time? Can't find it in a changelog
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don_looney
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215 posts since 18 Oct, 2015

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:15 am

+1
RME Babyface Pro / Bitwig / Dynaudio BM5MKII / KRK 10S2

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antic604
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3981 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:33 pm

Fourstepper wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:54 am
Has this been implemented over time? Can't find it in a changelog
Yes, around 2.4 last year.
Bitwig 3 // Reason 11 // Studio One 4 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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Fourstepper
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278 posts since 22 Jun, 2018

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:32 pm

Awesome, will go check it out!
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antic604
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3981 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:30 am

Fourstepper wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:32 pm
Awesome, will go check it out!
Just a heads-up - you right click on the plugin in Browser (side or pop-up, doesn't matter) and it's one of the options there.

I'd rather them doing it somewhere in the Settings, but at least it's here.
Bitwig 3 // Reason 11 // Studio One 4 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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Fourstepper
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278 posts since 22 Jun, 2018

Re: [feature request] ON/OFF high-DPI support for VST

Post Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:36 pm

Thanks, will check what the options are
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