u-he ACE vs Oddity2

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djmino02
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:38 pm

I have been researching GForce Oddity2 and I'm wondering if there's any need for it since I have ACE?

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wagtunes
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:29 pm

They're actually quite different. ACE is arguably more versatile. If I could only purchase one of the two, it would be ACE. I actually owned a hardware Odyssey back in the 80s and, quite honestly, I wasn't all that impressed with it.

If you already have ACE, I don't think you're really going to gain much getting Oddity2.

Others will probably have a different opinion.

Ultimately, download the demo and see what you think. You may find that you like it.

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egbert101
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:03 am

They're both great for bread and butter retro analog joy.
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djmino02
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:56 am

Any other synths that have duophonic modes? I know most uhe plugins do.

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wagtunes
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:04 am

djmino02 wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:56 am
Any other synths that have duophonic modes? I know most uhe plugins do.
Dune 2 does in a way. You can designate number of voices as low as 2, unless of course you're using mono or legato mode which is 1 voice. There is no way though to designate hi note or low note or anything like that and I'm not sure what the default is. I think it's last note, which would make sense.

djmino02
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:31 am

Cool. I like the synced ringmod tones with duophonic mode in Ace.

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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:43 am

djmino02 wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:56 am
Any other synths that have duophonic modes? I know most uhe plugins do.
It’s possible with Reaktor blocks. Also the ms-20.
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fluffy_little_something
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 am

What's special about a duophonic mode? Is it anything else than 2-voice polyphony?

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wagtunes
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:55 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 am
What's special about a duophonic mode? Is it anything else than 2-voice polyphony?
Depends on the options available for it.

When you play a third note, which one stops playing? With just plain 2 voice polyphony, there is no control over that.

With some synths, depending on how complex they are, you have several options.

Last Note - The last note you played is the one that gets removed. This is great for when you want to hold down a base note with the left hand and play a lead with the right. The base, being held down, will always remain as the other notes are always the last note you played.

Hi Note - The highest note is the one that gets removed. This works similar to last note above for playing bass and lead, but what if your lead actually crosses below your bass note? The bass note would disappear, which is not what you want. So if you're holding down a C and an E above it and then hit a G above that, the E would be removed.

Low Note - The lowest note is the one that gets removed. So with the above example, if playing a C and E and then playing a G above them, the C would be removed.

Then there are synths that actually call the above priorities and the programming of the modes are actually reversed. So for Hi Note, the Hi Note stays. For Low Note, the Low Note stays. For Last Note, the Last Note stays. And of course there is also First Note and First Note Priority.

Ultimately, you have to read the manual of the synth itself to see how duophonic mode is implemented and if there is more than one setting.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any synths with multiple settings. I know I owned one (hardware) but don't remember which one it was. I think it was an old Moog but don't quote me.

Anyway, that's the difference between 2 note polyphony and true duophonic mode.

fluffy_little_something
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:22 am

Ah, I see, an extended mono mode so to speak.
I don't think I ever missed such capability myself, but I am sure it makes sense for others...

Examigan
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:34 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:22 am
Ah, I see, an extended mono mode so to speak.
I don't think I ever missed such capability myself, but I am sure it makes sense for others...
Here’s a video that mentions some info about it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfycNJHPkk

fluffy_little_something
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:08 pm

Examigan wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:34 am
fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:22 am
Ah, I see, an extended mono mode so to speak.
I don't think I ever missed such capability myself, but I am sure it makes sense for others...
Here’s a video that mentions some info about it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfycNJHPkk
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Julien Unison
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:09 pm

Duophonic mode is really more than simply an extended mono mode.
It generates a very special sound harmonically speaking.
Like really simple but powerful chords (like "power chords" in the guitar world) where 2 notes are turning around each other in spiral.

A very vibrating sound. Like when you play only two strings on an electric guitar, that generates vibrating simple chords, and where the speed of the vibration is depending on the gap between the 2 played notes.
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djmino02
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:36 pm

The Odyssey was one of the first to utilize this.

Here's a video of the duophonic mode in oddity 2

https://youtu.be/m7WyBvZuqvc

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jacqueslacouth
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Re: u-he ACE vs Oddity2

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:43 pm

Julien Unison wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:09 pm
Duophonic mode is really more than simply an extended mono mode.
It generates a very special sound harmonically speaking.
Like really simple but powerful chords (like "power chords" in the guitar world) where 2 notes are turning around each other in spiral.

A very vibrating sound. Like when you play only two strings on an electric guitar, that generates vibrating simple chords, and where the speed of the vibration is depending on the gap between the 2 played notes.
Is there something special about a duophonic mode in doing this that makes it any different from simply playing 2 note chords on any other polyphonic synth?

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