Kazrog True Iron

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sqigls
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3701 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Post Fri May 17, 2019 11:53 am

stop please

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Aloysius
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Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 11:57 am

Broccoli is murder.

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an-electric-heart
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Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 12:28 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 11:43 am
Aloysius wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 11:40 am
How To Pronounce wytse

http://www.howtopronounce.com/dutch/wytse/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQhN6Nym89Y
Aaaaaaah, you're right. I saw that video come up in my recommended videos, I wasn't going to watch it because I don't use Pro Tools... but now I'm watching it... he's got some good points. :scared:

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Aloysius
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 1:02 pm

:tu:
Broccoli is murder.

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plexuss
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Post Fri May 17, 2019 1:14 pm

Now I want pizza ! 🍕 :tu: :party:

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Aloysius
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Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 1:17 pm

:hihi:
Broccoli is murder.

reggie1979
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463 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 1:42 pm

plexuss wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 1:14 pm
Now I want pizza ! 🍕 :tu: :party:
I had pizza last night.

reggie1979
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463 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 1:47 pm

God that guy is annoying. Yeah, ragging on PT is a favorite past time, but he's just too much.

Oh no, he played the "r" card from the bottom of the deck.

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sqigls
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3701 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 4:59 pm

insufferable tool
however his name's pronounced.

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masterhiggins
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Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 5:30 pm

sqigls wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 4:59 pm
insufferable tool
however his name's pronounced.
That f**ker's videos are so damn annoying.

jbarish
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405 posts since 28 Apr, 2017

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 5:35 pm

marcusmack wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 10:36 am
So-called "analogue" software DSP fx plugins have come a long way over the years but still aren't quite there, especially in emulations of magnetic devices. It's significant that the wonderful Neve 542 Tape Emulator outboard unit excels by physically modelling a record head, using a custom-designed transformer.

I've just been testing the Kazrog True Iron plugin (v1.2.4) and I'm partly pleased but partly disappointed.

My analytical tests show that each transformer model produces its own particular level of a common profile of even-numbered harmonics, but the level of these harmonics is UNRESPONSIVE to input signal amplitude. Why? This is presumably the kind of software DSP short-cut that the White Sea Studios dude so often and so rightly complains about for plugins that claim to have an "analogue" sound - "IT HAS NO DEPTH!"

But all is not lost: each True Iron model also generates a profile of odd-numbered harmonics and the shape and level of this profile ARE responsive to input signal amplitude. Odd-numbered harmonics are essential non-linear products of practically all magnetic circuits in which the signal amplitude reaches the 'curly ends' of the hysteresis curve.

Moreover, all the True Iron models yield plenty of intermodulation distortion products (aka sidebands) when driven really hard, producing the much loved "exciter" effect.

Nice one Shane (though I'd love to know what that even harmonics business is about).
I'd be interested to know how true this is.

reggie1979
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Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 5:37 pm

sqigls wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 4:59 pm
insufferable tool
however his name's pronounced.
I think "insufferable tool" is as close to pronunciation as can be :hihi:

acousticglue
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602 posts since 27 May, 2008

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 7:20 pm

I find that the kazrog plugins prior to this were Ok not great. So not trying this plugin but reading post I thought I should,post this. Meh. Not a "Shane" fan but fan of great ideas.

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EvilDragon
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17988 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 8:50 pm

Thermionik is the the best ampsim out there for me. It doesn't look great but it sounds the best.

perfumer
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305 posts since 4 Oct, 2018

Re: Kazrog True Iron

Post Fri May 17, 2019 8:56 pm

marcusmack wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 10:36 am
My analytical tests show that each transformer model produces its own particular level of a common profile of even-numbered harmonics, but the level of these harmonics is UNRESPONSIVE to input signal amplitude. Why? This is presumably the kind of software DSP short-cut that the White Sea Studios dude so often and so rightly complains about for plugins that claim to have an "analogue" sound - "IT HAS NO DEPTH!"
It's a night-and day difference, especially if your source has big dynamic range. Everything gets coloured the same way - the softest parts as much as the loudest - which is wrong. Hardware doesn't work like that. Well, maybe in True Iron 2 he'll get it right...

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