Yeah, I love Dune 3. Those new filters are something else. My only wish is that he’d add higher oversampling options for the distortion effects.SLiC wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 8:48 am I have just been playing with the Hive 2 update (bargain update price...unlike Dune 2 to Dune 3!) and Hive 2 is a superb instrument, sounds great, looks great, some fun and interesting features blended with a good engine, it begs to be played/programmed and is pretty easy to use given everything it does- in that way it is similar to Dune.
However...Dune still sounds like Dune, and I love the way Dune sounds irrespective of which one has more features or how they work...Dune 3 is (I think) the warmest sounding software synthesizer available, but other VST's do other things better and there is a good case to me made for owning them all (evil laugh)
Dune 3 vs. Hive 2
- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
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- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I'm trying to own less of them
Since they all sound really good these days... and because there is so much overlap, it is workflow and ease of use and fun factor that is a major decider for me now. That and of course if a synth offers something unique sound-wise. For example, Phonem... there is nothing else like it so I am willing to put up with the somewhat idiosyncratic GUI.
Dune doesn't offer something soundwise I don't already have and it is not a particularly fun inviting workflow.
- KVRAF
- 18434 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I've had lots of fun programming hundred of patches and using D3 in almost every synth based track I do.
I guess "fun" is just as subjective as anything else.
I guess "fun" is just as subjective as anything else.
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
- KVRian
- 1453 posts since 25 Sep, 2011
Can you enlighten us all about what is 'warm' please? Pretty confusing term, it seems.
I don't know if DUNE 3 falls into that category or not, all I know is that is sounds amazing. As it does HIVE 2. Both have a character of their own, which is great.
I don't know if DUNE 3 falls into that category or not, all I know is that is sounds amazing. As it does HIVE 2. Both have a character of their own, which is great.
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Sure... for me, less tabbing, one window workflow and drag-n-drop modulation play a big part in having a synth be fun and fluid. I like for example that with Hive 2 I don't even need to use the Mod Matrix to use the Mod Matrix. Hive is so fast to try things out and all the Osc's, filters and modulators are all visible at once.
I also completely understand just enjoying a synth. Perhaps if I had started with Dune some years ago I would be really into it. For me that synth is Zebra.
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
To me, Dune seems light and airy, bright and smooth. I'd call Diva warm, but not Dune.
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- KVRist
- 275 posts since 31 May, 2017
I won't buy Dune 3 because it doesn't have support for custom tunings, but when i demoed it i found the sound very pleasant and a bit restrained but not in any way dull. I didn't instantly need to do deep EQ cuts and careful filtering to make it calm down like i do with almost every other synth. Most synths are way too aggressive and abrasive and usually have too brash and present mids imo.
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- KVRAF
- 2022 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Nope. There are cold sounds which can be lovely.
Well.. how to explain "warm". How to explain warm colours in a picture? How to explain the warm light when the sun is rising? Guess it has to do with bass, and movement, like in a chorus, so, oscillator drift surely also has to do with it. As has a wide sound, think "3D". It also surely has to do with the character and behavior of the filter, of filter resonance, and also with the high frequency end. A synth i could mention which i find remarkable cold is Z3TA. NI Massive is also a pretty "cold" sounding synth IMO. Try to make a supersaw/string kind pad with a bit closed filter, and then listen to how it sounds, and then do the same in Spire, and you may (or not) notice the difference.
Again, if you like that sound is another topic. I don't get why people are so insulted when you say this or that synth doesn't sound warm. Maybe warm isn't even your thing. At the very least, noone has to feel insulted, or his/her gear de-valued. I don't consider Hive particularly warm either, it's also rather on the cold side, like Bazille. Diva has been mentioned, which IMO has a warmer sound.
Well.. how to explain "warm". How to explain warm colours in a picture? How to explain the warm light when the sun is rising? Guess it has to do with bass, and movement, like in a chorus, so, oscillator drift surely also has to do with it. As has a wide sound, think "3D". It also surely has to do with the character and behavior of the filter, of filter resonance, and also with the high frequency end. A synth i could mention which i find remarkable cold is Z3TA. NI Massive is also a pretty "cold" sounding synth IMO. Try to make a supersaw/string kind pad with a bit closed filter, and then listen to how it sounds, and then do the same in Spire, and you may (or not) notice the difference.
Again, if you like that sound is another topic. I don't get why people are so insulted when you say this or that synth doesn't sound warm. Maybe warm isn't even your thing. At the very least, noone has to feel insulted, or his/her gear de-valued. I don't consider Hive particularly warm either, it's also rather on the cold side, like Bazille. Diva has been mentioned, which IMO has a warmer sound.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
I think those vs topics should be forbidden in KVR.
- KVRAF
- 6969 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
WARM: When my ears become red, roughly at 35 degrees Celsius...
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- KVRian
- 899 posts since 22 Nov, 2017
Forbidden is too harsh. But I think I got your point.
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- Topic Starter
- 1646 posts since 4 Aug, 2017
Most of what makes Dune sound good has to do with the effects chains that include a really powerful EQ. You can dramatically change the sound of any synth by using the internal effects or adding better effects in your DAW.chk071 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 5:29 pm Nope. There are cold sounds which can be lovely.
Well.. how to explain "warm". How to explain warm colours in a picture? How to explain the warm light when the sun is rising? Guess it has to do with bass, and movement, like in a chorus, so, oscillator drift surely also has to do with it. As has a wide sound, think "3D". It also surely has to do with the character and behavior of the filter, of filter resonance, and also with the high frequency end. A synth i could mention which i find remarkable cold is Z3TA. NI Massive is also a pretty "cold" sounding synth IMO. Try to make a supersaw/string kind pad with a bit closed filter, and then listen to how it sounds, and then do the same in Spire, and you may (or not) notice the difference.
Again, if you like that sound is another topic. I don't get why people are so insulted when you say this or that synth doesn't sound warm. Maybe warm isn't even your thing. At the very least, noone has to feel insulted, or his/her gear de-valued. I don't consider Hive particularly warm either, it's also rather on the cold side, like Bazille. Diva has been mentioned, which IMO has a warmer sound.