Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

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Mathiross
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8 posts since 24 Feb, 2019

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:33 am

Hi,
I'm really thankfull for this best DAW we have with Bitwig, I could not imagine something else now !

However, I think a main function still misses: a real and unique performance layout. For performances, I'm using Bitwig as a vst host and If I want now to perform, I would actually be forced to use a software like mainstage on Mac or Gig Performer on PC (and give up to all the bitwig devices) because I have many keyboards on stage, more than 40 differents sounds and the little Instrument Selector device on 1 track only would be not enough to stay clear. Another solution would be to have many computers with many bitwig : expensive and bulky.

Then, to stay in a Grid idea, I've imagined a "Performance Layout Grid".

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This image may help you to understand my vision: (bigger version here: https://postimg.cc/vc8xmynh)
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I hope you like it, tell me what you think of it and if you would ardently need something like that !

And in the example, thank to a box to tick "follow selection" it would also solve my previous proposition concerning instrument selector. (https://answers.bitwig.com/questions/18 ... rument-via)
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pdxindy
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15605 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:15 am

Nice Idea!! Really creative concept.

Please do email Bitwig with it. They might never see your idea here.

zengel
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120 posts since 12 Jul, 2015

Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:48 am

+1 ! Great ! It would be incredible (And with touchscreen ! would be fabulous)

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antic604
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2423 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:54 am

Like the idea, but why are you putting it in The Grid?

It would make more sense - to me, at least - if it was a separate view (or a panel in Clip Launcher view) where you could collect objects from around the project: devices, buttons, sliders, knobs, etc. so that you don't have to switch between tracks to control prameters of many devices / tracks at once.
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irre
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Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:08 pm

a performance grid as an iPad App to extend desktop Bitwig on macOS Catalina would be really awesome!

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Mathiross
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8 posts since 24 Feb, 2019

Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:21 pm

I started my idea with normal windows that we could have resized and docked together
You can see it here: https://i.postimg.cc/cLqGTM6R/Extended-Rack-Bitwig.png

But finally, 80% of the interface and the display engine is already made in The Grid:
- you can choose, resize and move blocks
- you can undock and show as full screen separate window
- you can zoom in and out on this layout depending on your screen size and the place you require.
- Some of the Grid modules would already be usefull (in particular monitoring module: oscilloscope, vu-metre, XY...)

Then, the only missing things are
-A tab system to switch between songs

more monitoring modules such as what I've imagined:
- Instrument and FX Selector (with an option to select which selector from which track you want this to be a twin) with a more efficient system (the selector should follow the selection !)
- 8 knobs monitoring (same commentary about twin selection option)
- on-screen keyboard panel
- Clip launcher or Drum machine device in order to be able to trigger samples
- A text editor with a size option in order to place some notes and/or lyrics on screen

All that could add a real serious and asked way of working on DAWS.
I hope the idea makes its path !

x.iso
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261 posts since 27 Mar, 2019 from Russia

Re: Wish: The Performance Layout Grid

Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:49 pm

antic604 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:54 am
Like the idea, but why are you putting it in The Grid?

It would make more sense - to me, at least - if it was a separate view (or a panel in Clip Launcher view) where you could collect objects from around the project: devices, buttons, sliders, knobs, etc. so that you don't have to switch between tracks to control prameters of many devices / tracks at once.
I thought the same thing, and the way it looks (some 'modules' like current Grid modules with I/O points, and others without any I/O points) just tells that it's a mess, not to mention putting crammed touch keyboard up there, while it rightly belongs in it's own panel.
Then, to stay in a Grid idea, I've imagined a "Performance Layout Grid".
I get the idea, and it's a nicely done mock up, but that's not how it should look like. What you want is Interface builder and however much you'll try to simplify it, there will be always a heck of a lot preparations and routing programming needed to set up interface for live gig with several tracks (songs) in mind. However, there's just no way around it and any way to simplify the process would be welcome.

So, the interface builder would have to be a separate panel with interface modules and backend I/O modules to make it all work. Those backend I/O modules would pull anything from the project (like the list of layers in certain track's specific instrument selector device) and control it from the interface.

There is a similar stuff in Usine Hollyhock, but there it's a modular DAW at a core, so any device in a rack (local term for track) is a patch with backend wiring and front end UI (like in Reaktor), but there's an option to chose where it's displayed including 'Interface builder' screen either additionally or exclusively. since any patch can retrieve information or signals from other racks and places in the project, it's possible to build something like on this image from OP. But being like Reaktor, it's not as fast to do as building synths in Grid.

In Bitwig, there's also ways to pull signals from anywhere in the project, so as I said making it a separate panel (maybe as a layout addition to arrange/mix/edit) with frontend/backend separation (also kinda like in FL Studio's Patcher) should be possible to do something comprehensive with control over whole project.

But realistically, I think Bitwig team could actually prioritize working on more traditional arrangement features after v3 release as they supposedly promised, and many waited for years. Grid is a long awaited milestone for them, so I could see them expanding further on that vision after other features are complete.

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