Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

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wagtunes
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16917 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:37 am

Sounds really good but a little short for a "trance" track, don't you think? Or is this the hit single version? :lol:

Anyway, very well done.

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Skupje
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379 posts since 26 Oct, 2018

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:07 am

Hey I dropped this progression on the Synthmaker forum about a decade ago, this is a without the lead tones version of it. Don't know if I still have it around though. :tu:

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Bansaw
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710 posts since 19 Aug, 2008

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:59 am

wagtunes wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:37 am
Sounds really good but a little short for a "trance" track, don't you think? Or is this the hit single version? :lol:
Thanks. I'm still in the 3-minute mindset. Trance can be a bit longer thats true.
Skupje wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:07 am
Hey I dropped this progression on the Synthmaker forum about a decade ago, this is a without the lead tones version of it. Don't know if I still have it around though. :tu:
Cool. Would like to hear it if you can dig it up.

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Aloysius
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24448 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from the Land of Soy

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:49 am

Don't know what 'wives and girlfriends' (wags) is sniggering about.

Good idea building the track near the end with the ahead of the beat percussion etc and the riser to full stop.

For my taste it's a bit loud. A softer sound would help me to enjoy it bit more.
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sjm
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Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:29 pm

For the most part, I like the track.

However, the build up starting at 2:11 doesn't convince me. The stabby synth starts off too loud, and I'm not sure the melody is timed right later on (might be the release tbh). Everything else sounds good, and I like the ending itself. It's that synth part that I'm unconvinced by, both by the sound and by its level in the mix.
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Bansaw
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710 posts since 19 Aug, 2008

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:03 pm

sjm wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:29 pm
However, the build up starting at 2:11 doesn't convince me. The stabby synth starts off too loud, and I'm not sure the melody is timed right later on (might be the release tbh). Everything else sounds good, and I like the ending itself. It's that synth part that I'm unconvinced by, both by the sound and by its level in the mix.
Thanks. I live-played the stabby synth. Then afterwards got lazy about quantizing everything. I will say its "organic" & "human" ! Or, just a bit lazy tbh. ; )
Aloysius wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:49 am
For my taste it's a bit loud. A softer sound would help me to enjoy it bit more.
Thanks. And I automated the volume to turn it down too - it was even louder originally! Those drums triggering do make the volume rise.

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Benedict
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3009 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:08 pm

Nice full sound but yes perhaps just a bit overmastered. Makes each bit sound HUGE but becomes tiring as we have no breathing room.

The synth ostinato at the start is a Gary Numan line! Did you realize?

Yes, the second part is a bit loose and possibly a bit undirected (and perhaps unrelated to the first melodic part) which loses some of the power you were after.

Overall though, I like where you are going and then it just evaporates.

:-)

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Bansaw
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Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:31 pm

Benedict wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:08 pm
The synth ostinato at the start is a Gary Numan line! Did you realize?
Didn't realize that was a Numan. What song is it?
I was listening to a Numan song recently: Cars, maybe it was a subconscious influence!

recursive one
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4112 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:03 am

The track has some very good parts but they are organized in a quite chaotic manner. E.g. the buildup at 2:11 was very unexpected and not in a good way, I thought at first it was some other track occasionally started playing in another browser page :)

Overall it has a potential to become a full-length trance track (7-8 minutes typically) but you may want to think about more smooth transitions between the parts. As it stands it sounds more like a collection of sketches, my own trance tracks may sound like that at a very early stage of arranging :)

Mixing seems good overall but the top end sounds quite harsh to me.
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Bansaw
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710 posts since 19 Aug, 2008

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:27 pm

recursive one wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:03 am
Overall it has a potential to become a full-length trance track (7-8 minutes typically) but you may want to think about more smooth transitions between the parts. As it stands it sounds more like a collection of sketches, my own trance tracks may sound like that at a very early stage of arranging :)
Thanks for the feedback.
I'm still in the mentality where I aim for a 3-minute track, when I know Trance can be 5 mins+ easily.
Its an arrangement mindset thats not doing my any favours when it comes to Trance.

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Benedict
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3009 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:59 pm

Bansaw wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:31 pm
Benedict wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:08 pm
The synth ostinato at the start is a Gary Numan line! Did you realize?
Didn't realize that was a Numan. What song is it?
I was listening to a Numan song recently: Cars, maybe it was a subconscious influence!
He used it several times in the Pleasure Principle - Telekon era but you can hear it in "Films" from PP. A few people have sample sections from that era so not exactly out of line. I doubt he'd be gunning for you either way.

:-)

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Bansaw
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Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:57 am

Benedict wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:59 pm
He used it several times in the Pleasure Principle - Telekon era but you can hear it in "Films" from PP. A few people have sample sections from that era so not exactly out of line. I doubt he'd be gunning for you either way.
:-)
I don't think he'll come after me either, but if he can prove a similarity between his track and mine, he can have 100% of my earnings from my track. ;)
Actually , great drums on "Films" by the way.

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Benedict
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3009 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:52 pm

Bansaw wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:57 am
I don't think he'll come after me either, but if he can prove a similarity between his track and mine, he can have 100% of my earnings from my track. ;)
Actually , great drums on "Films" by the way.
The tracks really aren't similar at all so no dramas. It just stood out to me as an old Numanoid. If Gary heard this, he'd probably be more flattered than angry.

That period sounds so great as synths are largely played and the contrast with live drums makes for a vibrancy that goes awol with very rigid EDM programming.

:-)

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kingozrecords
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86 posts since 7 Apr, 2019

Re: Strange Orbit Detected [Trance] ... feedback welcome...

Post Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 pm

Your mixing is pretty good. Some of the timing seems a bit off though. All in all I wpould listen to it on the outside.

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