How to fix an overall dense sound???

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Brandon203113
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98 posts since 25 Sep, 2018

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:44 am

Let's say i got a sound from the artist that was ridiculously compressed during the composition and whatever they did they bounced it to audio, what are some ways i could fix the sound being flat AF? I tried using a regular compressor to give it some movement, but the sound is still pretty damn flat cuz of all the harmonics even'd out... anyone have any suggestions???

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BertKoor
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11227 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:49 am

Ask for an unprocessed copy. Simple...
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Forgotten
KVRAF
3080 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:54 am

I don’t think adding another compressor is going to help...

Usually you would remaster something at that point to improve the sound - if the mixdown is crappy there’s not much you can do about that. A surgical approach to enhancing it piece by piece is all you can really do now.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
49912 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:09 am

send it back?

imrae
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758 posts since 2 Jul, 2010

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:49 am

I made an improvement in one of these cases by using a frequency-selective expander to add some dynamics back to the vocals. This only worked as well as it did because the vocal was already band-limited and had some space around it.

In general you may be able to salvage an over-compressed track with expansion, but doing it cleanly with the whole mix is asking a lot.

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kingozrecords
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79 posts since 7 Apr, 2019

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:02 am

A pumper limiter that will add both peaks and motion:

esquire: free 32/64 bit vst
https://leattol.com/vst/

Pumping will attack the peaks and create a slight draw which you can compensate with the static ceiling. The ceiling does not auto-makeup so it makes the sound seem in movement. Next, use the attack and release, a bit heavy on atk and almost none on release and it sounds live.

I remember hearing about pumping, but other products which claim to do the same still utilize auto makeup, so there's no discerning the contrast and motion; ultimately, rarefaction.

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pljones
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6522 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:48 am

If whatever was used to flatten the signal wasn't frequency aware, you may be able to restore some life by applying some hefty EQ to appropriate frequencies. (I've often found if there's a lot of bass rumble, just running an high-pass over the signal can get quite a bit of range back.)

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kingozrecords
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79 posts since 7 Apr, 2019

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:30 am

pljones wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:48 am
If whatever was used to flatten the signal wasn't frequency aware, you may be able to restore some life by applying some hefty EQ to appropriate frequencies. (I've often found if there's a lot of bass rumble, just running an high-pass over the signal can get quite a bit of range back.)
Yes, you're very right about that. Hmm, seems like that is a good idea for a plugin. *Writes it down

ramseysounds
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456 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm

Sh*t in = sh*t out. Usually.
I wonder what happens if I press this button...

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vurt
addled muppet weed
49912 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:39 pm

ramseysounds wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm
Sh*t in = sh*t out. Usually.
in audio terms perhaps.
in human or animal terms its more "anything in = shit out"
some things more than others.
like a lot of fruit :o

but yep, totally, no point trying to polish a turd.
send it back and ask them for a clean mix :tu:

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mixtur.se
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130 posts since 24 Aug, 2017

Re: How to fix an overall dense sound???

Post Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:37 pm

Maybe a transient shaper or something like waves trans-x to restaurant to restore some dynamics. You could also try layering new transients with samples where possible. An exciter or dynamic eq might also help to enhance part of the spectrum.

I would also use volume automation between sections to improve overall dynamics etc

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