Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

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Gabriel_West
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37 posts since 16 Nov, 2017 from Germany

Post Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:52 pm

Hello Guys!

Save the World - Gabriel West
In the style of "90s Eurodance"
Instrumental 'Pre' Version,
composed by me a few days ago

Can you figure the counterposition of the chorus-lyrics part "Save the World" ???
If you listen carefully, you will figure it easily. :-)

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https://soundcloud.com/user-926227779/s ... briel-west

Used Instruments:
Drums: SFZ + NTonyx 32 MB Stereo Soundfontbank / Roland TR909 Drum Machine Preset
Percussion: MT Power Drum Kit 2 (Mainly Toms used), Reverse Cymbal (Roland Wave Sample)
Bass: Steinberg Model E + Oril River Reverb / Preset: Snap Bass (Minimoog Model D Emulation),
SFZ+NTonyx Bank / Synth Bass2 + Bass Amp (SHB-1) + OldSkoolVerb / DeepReverb Setting
Synthesizer (Used for String chords): Poly 2106 (Juno 106 Emul.) / Preset: Carpet Pad Magic,
PG-8X (Roland JX-8P Emulation) /Original Bank Preset: Strings
Leads: PG-8X (Original Bank Preset / 55: PolySynth), SFZ+NTonyx (81:Saw Wave), Orpheus (Dark Str.)
Guitar: Spicy Guitar (Classical Guitar) + SoftAmp PSA + OldSchoolVerb / GrandHall Setting (Verse Mel.)
E-Piano: 4Front E-Piano (Offbeat Chords), EP-Station (Chorus Vocal Melody)

DAW: Zynewave Podium
(only free VST Instruments have been used)

Any Feedback is appreciated.
Good thing in music is: Your knowledge of music theory is getting better with the years by lerning..bad thing: Your singing voice is getting worser with the years. So if you've composed lovesongs at your younger ages, dont wait too long with the recording

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Bansaw
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756 posts since 19 Aug, 2008

Re: Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

Post Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:53 pm

Intro reminded me of Mr.Vain by Culture Beat.
Its good, I enjoyed it.
I would say in terms of mixing, sometimes the lead synths and melodies need bringing up.
I would also look into the kick and bass EQ/mixing too.

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Gabriel_West
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37 posts since 16 Nov, 2017 from Germany

Re: Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

Post Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:14 am

@Bansaw: First of all, thx for your feedback and suggestions! Well noticed, the bass pattern is indeed pretty simular to Culture Beat's Mr. Vain pattern. (A two bars mix of Mr.Vain's pattern, "Piece of my Heart" Pattern by Intermission & some slightly changes by myself to not let it sound 'too' identically) = So that it has it's own character with simular groove sound of famous, well known 90s Eurodance tracks) After analysing the most common 90s Eurodance Hits, I found out, that mostly these Bassgroove 'Main'-Patterns have been used ->

****************************1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - ********************

Pattern1: Into the Snare Groove -> x - - x x - x - x - - x x - x -

<- (Maybe the most succesful Gr.Pattern of 90s Eurodance)
Famous songs using this pattern: Culture Beat - Mr. Vain [*a], Dr. Alban - Its my Life, DJ Bobo - Love is all Around, Fun Factory - Close to you, Masterboy - Everybody needs Somebody [*a] and many more.

Pattern2: Straight Forward Groove -> x - x x x - x x x - x x x - x x

<- (Definitely the most used Pattern, maybe bit 'overused')
Famous songs using this pattern: La Bouche - Be my Lover, DJ Bobo - Take Control, Ice MC - It's a rainy Day, Culture Beat - Got to get it, Twenty 4 Seven - Is it Love, Maxx - Get Away, Masterboy - Show Me colours, TH Express - I'm On Your Side, etc.

Pattern3: Double Impact Groove -> x x - x x - x - x - - x - - x x

<- (My Fav, the 1st two 16th notes in a row are characterizing)
Famous songs using this pattern: Intermission - Piece of my heart, Masterboy - I got to give it up, Loft - Hold On (Moves Beat 2 of this pattern only one 16th forward)

Pattern4: Slow Eurodance Groove -> x - - - x - - x - - x - - - x -

<- (Often used for slower songs at 124 Bpm!)
Famous songs using this pattern: Snap - Rhythm is a Dancer, Haddaway - What is love, DJ Bobo - Somebody dance with me

Pattern5: Mr. Vain's 2nd Groove -> x x x - x - x - x - - x x - x - [*b]

<- (2nd Pattern of Mr.Vain)
Famous songs using this pattern: Culture Beat - Mr. Vain (2nd Bar of its Two-Bar-Groove)

Pattern6: Into the Strong Beat Groove -> x - x - x - - x x - x - x - x x

<- (Added 16th notes directly before beat 1 and 3 are characterizing for its name)
Famous songs using this pattern: La Bouche - Sweet Dreams, ..

Pattern7: Scatman's Groove -> x - - x - - x - - x - - x - x -

Famous songs using this pattern: Scatman John - Scatman, ..

Pattern8: Alternating Bass Groove -> x - y - x - y - x - y - x - y -

<- ("y" stands for it's specific alternating bass note)
Famous songs using this pattern: Mr. President - Up'n Away, ..


@ My suggestion TO ALL Eurodance Hobby-Composers out there, that need some fresh Motivation-Impulses to experiment with Bassgrooves:


1) Setup a typical Eurodance 2Bar-Drum Groove in your TR909 Drum Machine at about 132 Bpm (add
additional Elements later, like Riffs etc) and copy it to build up a 4bar Loop-Groove, first. Use
the Eurodance Standard-Drum Groove below, if you're unsure how to define it in 90s Eurodance
style. (In lots of Eurodance-Tracks you will hear this Basic Drum-Groove exactly that way!)


Typical Eurodance Basic Drum-Groove ->

-------------------- 1-+-2-+-3-+-4-+- -----1-+-2-+-3-+-4-+- ----
Closed HiHat-------xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx------xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-- <-16th based
Crash*-------------O*-----------------------------------------------
Open HiHat-----------o----o----o----o---------o----o----o----o--- <- On Offbeats
Snare+Handclap--------x---------x----------------x---------x-x**--- <- Beat 2, 4
Kick----------------x----x----x----x----------x----x----x----x----- <- Beat1,2,3,4


*Only on the first bar of a certain part (like Verse, Chorus, Bridge for ex.)

**Depends on the Rhythm of the Bassgroove Pattern on where to set LoopRiffs, if you have a
Bassbeat Accent on Beat "4+" it's guaranteed, that the snare/clap Riff Accent sounds good here on
Beat "4+".


Layering / Velocity Rules Order in Eurodance:

Kick & Hihat Velocity of BEAT1 strongest > BEAT3 > BEAT2and4 > OFFBEAT 1+ > OFFBEAT 3+ > OFFBEAT 2+ > OFFBEAT 4+ > ALL OF THE REMAINING 16TH OFFBEATS!

(A good layering is of great importance, to feel the groove later, it is not necessary, to layer the Snare & Open HiHat though) In proportion to other Drum Elements, Kicks are very loud. So, let it Boooooooooom booom boooooooom booom! :DD

Btw, 99% famous 90s Eurodance Songs were made with a TR909 Drum Machine, so if you need one, here's my Best Free TR-909 Recommandation: Use SFZ Soundfontplayer as VSTi in Combination with NTonyx Soundfontbank/:128 /Preset: TR909 (Dl on NTonyx.com)

It includes all Elements of the real TR-909, sounds pretty accurate, is easy to handle, & all Drum Elements are mapped in your DAW!!! This is most likely the best free virtual samplebased TR-909 Drum machine Alternativ around the web. In my opinion absolutely a Musthave!


Creating Tom Riffs on Transition-Parts
(endpart of the last bar in a Verse- or Chorus-Part for Ex.) ->

Filling the last bar of your 4 Bar Drum-Groove Loop with Tom Riffs can always increase the energy and dynamic of your music, so let's throw in some additionally "Bam-bam, bum-bumm, bom-boom"-Toms in a defined Rhythm, that is analogue with our choosen Bass Groove Pattern on it's occuring accentuation, in the following order (Don't forget to set the velocity in the previously
described way, otherwise it will sound unauthentic) ->

High Toms first (1-3 in a row as 16th or 8th Notes) ....BAM...(Bam?)...(Bam?) :band2:
then Mid Toms (1-3 in a row as 16th or 8th Notes) ............BUM...(BUM?)...(BUM?)
then Low Toms (1-4 in a row as 16th or 8th Notes) ....................BOOM...(BOOM?)...(BOOM?)

Recommand. Free Tom VSTi for Tom Riffs: MT Power Drum Kit 2 (It's crispy Toms are just awes.)


2) Try out some Bassgroove-Pattern above there (maybe change it 'very slightly' to give it your own
character) and combine it with your drum track. If it let's you dance immediately to the groove,
you did well! :-) (Use this free Bass VST if you unsure which Bass sounds suiting for that style ->
Steinberg Model E (Emulation of Minimoog Model D) + 11: Snap Bass Preset + Add some OrilReverb
for ex.)


3) Establish a chord progression for your track. My recommandation: For ex. 6415 (1637 in Moll) or
6451 (1673 in Moll) Notice, that Minor Key Signatures are typical for 90s Eurodance Songs.
Tryout this free VSTi for Strings/Pads if you're unsure: "Poly 2106"+ Carpet Pad Magic Preset and
setup whole notes in the "4 notes per bar" method. Make sure you setup the voicing smoothly, so
that it sounds good after looping.

Later, you can make the rhythm more complex for chorus parts etc. (More famous Chord
Progressions of Eurodance are:

6 45 (2 bar), 6456, 6514, 6145, 6245, 6 41 (2 bar), 6135) <- Note, ..

you can always change the order like 1465 instead of 6514 etc., if you need another start-chord
for a certain chord Progression Part.


4) Define a 4 Bar Lead-Synth Arpeggio (for ex. use PG-8X / Original Bank Presets /55: Poly Synth) in
8th Notes with 1-2 empty spaces per bar for 8th note breaks (probably on beats/offbeats where
no Bassnote is playing in your pattern) which will act as a counterpoint melody of the vocals
melody later. (Inspire yourself by the Intro of "Hold On - Loft" or "Piece of my Heart -
Intermission" on youtube for ex., where those typical Lead Synths occure directly from the
beginning on of it's Intro, acting as counterpoint melody)


5) Add some more instruments, if you like. For ex., a Rhythm Section that plays mainly the
Bassgroove Pattern by using slightly muted chords only in the defined main rhythm, a Piano Part,
an E-Piano that plays only chords without rootnotes on offbeats at a certain time, a church organ
for the intro, etc etc. and last but not least, just be creative & compose a melody by feel. Make
also sure, you compose at least 3-4 Parts in this order: "INTRO / CHORUS / VERSE / BRIDGE" +
duplicate that stuff for backup-ing & the repeat of Chorus2 etc. later. Letting the instruments
come in one after another in that order for ex. ->

"SYNTH LEADS -> BASS -> DRUMS -> E-PIANO -> VOCALS START OF CHORUS PART"

..is always a logical process, especially, when doing Bass-Solos, like it is the case for ex. in "Hold
on" by "Loft". A Reverse Cymbal and/or Drum Riff right before the "DRUMS-" and "E-PIANO Come
In" creats even more dynamic to that "Instrument Come In Process" at the beginning, which
means, it is always very important, that you have your "Main Rhythm Pattern", defined via
Bassgroove Pattern, always 'mapped' in your head.

Typical for Eurodance is also, to use often so-called "1-Bar Breaks" at the last bar of a certain
part, for calming down the music (except Bassdrum Riffs) that play only Kicks (and/or Toms) in
the complete Bassgroove Pattern Rhythm for one bar at those moments, to bring more variety to
it's characterizing "4-On-The-Floor" Dance Groove. (The Effect: It can increase the dancers energy
on the dancefloor :D) Sometimes, I feel like I'm almost breaking through my monitor when
overdoing it with too strong accentuation. :DDD Well, however, what can I say more, Composing
eurodance is fun, so just get your synths, believe in yourself and start a project...happy
eurodance composing !! :phones:


@My message to the world out there:
LET'S BRING BACK 90s EURODANCE, that combined STRONG BEATS, HARMONY, INTENSE SOUL FEMALE VOCALS, REFRESHING OLD SCHOOL SYNTHSOUND & ENERGY so wonderful!!! :-) Tired of these wannabe- dance-chillmusic of nowadays, that pay no attention to these 5 important
characteristics. :D
Good thing in music is: Your knowledge of music theory is getting better with the years by lerning..bad thing: Your singing voice is getting worser with the years. So if you've composed lovesongs at your younger ages, dont wait too long with the recording

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tilidin
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24 posts since 16 Feb, 2018 from Berlin, Germany

Re: Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

Post Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:26 am

Hey Gabriel,

thats amazing ... follow you on SC now and left some likes for your Eurodance stuff. I am also a big fan of this era ... and yes I agree ... it's time that this genre gets a comeback.

Best T.I.L.I.D.I.N.

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Gabriel_West
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37 posts since 16 Nov, 2017 from Germany

Re: Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

Post Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:40 pm

@tilidin: Thank you very much for the likes and follow on Soundcloud! Really appreciate that. :-)
Good thing in music is: Your knowledge of music theory is getting better with the years by lerning..bad thing: Your singing voice is getting worser with the years. So if you've composed lovesongs at your younger ages, dont wait too long with the recording

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Gabriel_West
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37 posts since 16 Nov, 2017 from Germany

Re: Eurodance (90s) Own Composition: Save the World - Gabriel West

Post Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:53 pm

@All Eurodance Fans: Check out this thread about an epic Eurodance Track: "Hold on - Loft" and it's first complete lyrics ever released on the web ->
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=532454
Good thing in music is: Your knowledge of music theory is getting better with the years by lerning..bad thing: Your singing voice is getting worser with the years. So if you've composed lovesongs at your younger ages, dont wait too long with the recording

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