find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

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Caine123
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Post Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:10 am

hey guys, i read that melodyne can pretty well decypher the scale/harmony of a song?
im totally bad in this and e.g. i listen to a song and love the tone of it but cannot decypher the notes and try to re-create the notes to seem to find out the harmony of the song. is there any tools (if melodyne tutorial?) how to do it? e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p578E7tC9EA

would love to find out the notes and know then which scale it is. any tips appreciated besides music theory/go to school, i read some harmony tutorials atm but it takes time ;). thx
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JulsnJVM
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24 posts since 27 Jun, 2016

Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:10 am

Check out Hornet Plugins Songkey MK3 - it´s on sale right now!

https://www.hornetplugins.com/plugins/h ... ngkey-mk3/

trewq
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Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:44 am

Keep trying to do it with just your guitar or piano. You want to train your ears, right?

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djanthonyw
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Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:50 am

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4167 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:57 am

trewq wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:44 am
Keep trying to do it with just your guitar or piano. You want to train your ears, right?
I agree with this. If you give up trying you will never be able to do it, but practice will get you there.

Razzia
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343 posts since 21 May, 2016

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Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:36 pm

With time invested, practice, and familiarity your ears will become sharp enough that you can do this sort of thing without too much trouble. Or even effort, really.

Hornet songkey is great though. Seconded.

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Calenberger
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Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:54 pm

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Michael L
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Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:58 pm

This is a good demo of how to use your ears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imj7FniRzyY
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Raddler1
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Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:49 pm

Mixed in key, all their software is useful.

intheboxx
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Post Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:40 am

trewq wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:44 am
Keep trying to do it with just your guitar or piano. You want to train your ears, right?
If that’s what your ambition is go ahead, but if what you wish for is ‘fast results’, then there’s enough software to help you out with this and instantly get the desired result. I understand what you’re saying, but as it seems nowadays this isn’t always the case.

Back to op, check out hornet songkey and melodyne to extract the scale etc from the audio, there’s lots of tutorials, at least for melodyne!

intheboxx
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Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:41 am

Calenberger wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:54 pm
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I have this program laying around, I once got a ‘nfr’ version, but never knew it could be used for these purposes, care to elaborate?

intheboxx
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Re: find out what scale/notes a song consists of?

Post Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 am

This site is really good, I use it all the time to look up what key and scale a song is! Great suggestion and very easy to use

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Post Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:54 am

intheboxx wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:40 am
trewq wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:44 am
Keep trying to do it with just your guitar or piano. You want to train your ears, right?
If that’s what your ambition is go ahead, but if what you wish for is ‘fast results’, then there’s enough software to help you out with this and instantly get the desired result.
But it’s not instant, is it? I’m pretty sure I can pick up a guitar, or play the piano or sing a tune much more quickly than loading up software. Once I’ve done that, I already know how to play it on that instrument - using software I would know what the music looks like, but would still have to learn it.

Training your ears will get there there faster once you’re practiced, but if you head for software to help you then you’re not getting the practice in.

Jafo
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Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:01 pm

Jury's out on developing perfect pitch, but you absolutely have to develop relative pitch at some point -- music is a hearing art first and foremost.
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Googly Smythe
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Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:08 pm

I'm old school (I know jack about music theory) - I just play along, you soon pick it up. Unless it's The Black Page, or something.
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