A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

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chemeleon
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50 posts since 16 Jan, 2013

Post Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:01 pm

Sorry, I posted that serious headline just to get your attention. It's just humble old me doing a live set of live mashups with VirtualDJ and a Numark NS6, all quite serious and poppy (and heavy).. except for maybe the last off the cuff bit. It's the 8th one I've done so far. All take way too many more takes than necessary. I sang for the intro to this one...
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There's a video here (but you're welcome to listen to the SoundCloud if that's your thing. Better audio quality I would imagine, at least at low bitrates, you just lose the visual element). (This is still a link to the video).

https://soundcloud.com/chemeleon/minimi ... lcome-song

(Is SoundCloud predominantly populated by AI from a doomed future who like your song before you've even uploaded it these days? Still, SoundCloud seems about the only place besides Facebook an artist who has little weight behind him can share his wares with a hope of somebody actually listening.. and you can't release mashups like these on Spotify... :)
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chemeleon
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50 posts since 16 Jan, 2013

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:56 pm

Has anybody listened to this..? I know it's not instantly ear boner inducing by description alone, or a tried and tested approach to modern music, but I've been making them for a while, and I think where it's going sounds good. On it's own merit. It's a unique approach which works, according to my stupid brain.

I would love for people to hear it / experience the video / maybe be interested in some of my previous work. It's been a labour of love and not everything works but nothing falls flat and some parts really rise above. I think this one begins really well and doesn't disappoint with the ending.

One review :
"It is quite epic. I like the churchillian voice at the beginning and the driving momentum until the slightly chaotic feel of the ending."

Apologies for so much blatant self promotion but according to the data, I'm not doing enough of it / I'm doing it wrong. I have have a lot of confidence in the results of my musical experimentation.
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1951 posts since 17 Apr, 2004

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:23 pm

I listened, and the overall impression was that it's overly chaotic for extended periods in a way that doesn't excite me. The less manic sections sound much better. The chaotic sections sound like standing in the stairwell between two DJ floors and hearing both sets at the same time. I guess the easiest way to summarise that would be that it just doesn't sound coherent.

I think that the overly busy arrangements are your undoing here. There are so many competing elements vying for attention during the manic sections that there's nothing for the ear to latch on to and serve as a guide.

If you could reduce the level of pure chaos and retain the flair that comes from the "interludes", it would be a lot easier to listen to by virtue of being more musical. It's not "unmusical" per se - in case that's what you're thinking, because it's clearly music - but you allude to the underlying issue in your post: "it's not [...] a tried and tested approach to modern music". With nothing to guide the listener and no real structure to serve as a reference point, it's just a barrage of sound at the end of the day.

So: interesting enough for 14 minutes in the way that avant garde/artwank can be, but not my musical cup of tea at all. I'm guessing the real issue is the source material simply not gelling all that well; rather than the idea itself being terrible.
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chemeleon
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50 posts since 16 Jan, 2013

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:18 pm

Thank you for listening... I don't mind the critique at all, appreciate the thought and the perspective. I don't know... It's hard as the creator of the material (I mean my own compositions, not the mix itself or the DnB which accompanies) to hear what it's like without any emotional connotation - when they're contextualised in this setting, they take on unexpected meaning and their augmentation is often satisfying. I think the pairings themselves are biased in my favour in general, as it's DnB I listen to most often. The complexity is most apparent I find when skipping through the mix - it can often be hard to 'find your place' and it's a shame as according to Facebook data, that's what people appear to do - but I think in the case of pairings such as "Silhouettes and Marionettes" and Chee - Eddy Morphine / Current Value - Tilt, the chaos is so abundant but utterly controlled that it's pleasing to resolve.

I think it's sort of quarter-way to a DnB / Pop DJ Set. 15 minutes is about the average run time. A single mashup might be 3-5 mins, but that's not enough to warrant it's own performance / video, unless the songs are really well known or... well... aren't your own (which lends credence that there might be someone other than the artist out there who wants to hear it).

I'm going to carry on with my solo stuff of course, which I've taken in a whole different direction and has a different vibe. My mixes and mashups have got a way more positive response on Facebook than to my original compositions, though. But overall, I haven't had the response I'd like at all - hopefully that's not down to the music itself, but down to the context in which it's heard, be that system or taste..
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thecontrolcentre
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24669 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:31 pm

Its all too busy for me ... I make and enjoy listening to mashups , but they only work (imho) if the listener knows the original tracks that are being mixed. I got 6 mins in to your "mix" without hearing anything familiar or particularly musical. Sorry, but its just noise ... :shrug:

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chemeleon
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50 posts since 16 Jan, 2013

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:47 pm

Yeah, that's interesting. That you might need that prep / conditioning before it works for the listener.

This is my most popular (by a long way) mashup. I guess not unsurprising as it features lots of well known artists. It has two separate remixes of Nine Inch Nails songs composed by me, and also features a pretty classic Noisia song. One of the songs has a keychange (Echoplex - ForceShadow remix), so I chose to alter "Banshee"'s key alongside it, and performed correctly it seems to work rather well. It is just as complex as the mashup in the OP but has a darker overall vibe and some nice direct lyrics from Trent Reznor. I'd be *really* interested if you have a preference of the two.

https://soundcloud.com/chemeleon/minimi ... er-preview
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thecontrolcentre
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24669 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:00 pm

There's some weird EQing going on somewhere. That track sounds similar to the first one in that respect. It's too busy and has really pronounced unpleasant mid frequencies that need sorting out. FYI I'm listening on Genelecs with a sub in the studio ... I wonder what you're mixing with?

Here's a link to my most popular mashup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-KFnvsrszQ

experimental.crow
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5987 posts since 9 Mar, 2003 from the bridge of sighs

Re: A uniquely styled string of mashups that combined, verge on hardcore pop - be interested in your take on the artform

Post Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:14 pm

i listened to 08 ... made it about halfway through because ear fatigue ...
i get what you are trying to do , and it works , up to a point ...

my take ?.. well , less is more ...
you take the listener quickly to a certain intensity , and then you just stay there .
given the upper frequencies you are pushing , and the volume , well ...

you need to leave about 30% of that track on the cutting room floor ,
and i don't mean make it shorter ... introduce some level changes ...
use some foreshadowing ... tease some of those motifs , leave them , and
come back to them later ...

there was some interesting work , in what i heard ...
different ... unusual ...
maybe you did some of those things later , after i jumped off ...
i won't know ...

added a bit later:
see tcc comment above re: EQ ...
needs some attention , yes ...
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