For the peeps arguing that it's all no problem when you use a plugin wrapper like jBridge: Always keep in mind that a wrapper always uses more CPU than running the plugin natively, and, there likely will be GUI issues. So, no, it's not just as easy as using the plugin in a wrapper, and everything is alright. Not to mention stability issues I had with some plugins. Terratec Komplexer crashed frequently when using it with jBridge, for example, that's why I stopped using both jBridge and Komplexer. Just not worth it. Other plugins may run better. Even though I also had issues running Dune BE bridged.
Anyway, the people who have no problem with bridging the plugins should do that, of course. Just saying that it's not a option for me.
Genesis Pro
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
I also had stability issues with Jbridged stuff in Studio One. Useable but far from smooth. Dunno, maybe DAW-specific bridges work better, e.g. the bridges in Reaper or FL.
I was toying with the idea to get FL Studio as a secondary DAW for years, Reaper I just can't stand.
I was toying with the idea to get FL Studio as a secondary DAW for years, Reaper I just can't stand.
You may think you can fly ... but you better not try
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- KVRian
- 1434 posts since 21 Nov, 2005 from The Netherlands
He should just team up with a good coder, re-build the synth from scratch in something like Juice or iPlug2 (is crossplatform, so iOS Auv3 is also an option then), and release that as version 2.
Then work on providing good presets. Bet that'll sell just fine.
Then work on providing good presets. Bet that'll sell just fine.
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- KVRAF
- 2117 posts since 24 Feb, 2004 from Germany
So do you think he is not aware that 32bit and Win only will keep several people away? He certainly knows it, but port this to 64bit is nearly impossible when he used third party modules.
And I don't believe he expects to make a fortune by selling 500.000 copies for 1€ each. He just wants to publish his years of work for the community. But even he would give it away for free, people would complain here. The same KVR spirit as years ago.....
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- KVRAF
- 35410 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
So, what do you expect people to do? Just ignore this? Would that be the favorable attitude towards the product and the developer?
What if someone is genuinly interested in this, but can't use it, because he's 64-bit only, and his DAW doesn't bridge either? I don't see a difference to telling the developer that the plugin doesn't work, if there is a issue with it, and it won't run on certain hardware configuration.
Anyway, maybe you're right, and people should just give this a go-bye, and leave it uncommented. I do think though that it is in the interest of developers why their products aren't getting the use they should. 32-bit and Windows only will restrict the plugin to, what, maybe 10% of the common population? Probably less. Can't really see a bigger target audience. And, while I can see and understand the reason why it is restricted to 32-bit Windows, I wonder how much sense it makes to sell this thing, especially with a business model which seems to target the selling of sound sets as well. The dev has to know, for sure.
What if someone is genuinly interested in this, but can't use it, because he's 64-bit only, and his DAW doesn't bridge either? I don't see a difference to telling the developer that the plugin doesn't work, if there is a issue with it, and it won't run on certain hardware configuration.
Anyway, maybe you're right, and people should just give this a go-bye, and leave it uncommented. I do think though that it is in the interest of developers why their products aren't getting the use they should. 32-bit and Windows only will restrict the plugin to, what, maybe 10% of the common population? Probably less. Can't really see a bigger target audience. And, while I can see and understand the reason why it is restricted to 32-bit Windows, I wonder how much sense it makes to sell this thing, especially with a business model which seems to target the selling of sound sets as well. The dev has to know, for sure.
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- KVRian
- 813 posts since 11 Mar, 2010
Embedding a bridge into GP may not be CPU efficient or bug free at release, but I assume any other way of porting it to 64 bit will be a nightmare, basically. Besides, CPUs keep improving, and I think the workload soon won't be a concern anyway.
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- KVRAF
- 2491 posts since 3 Dec, 2006
I am personally very excited for this!! Even if my Daw could not Bridge 32bit I will still buy this as I could load this in vst host on a laptop and use that with a midi controller as a standalone Synth
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- KVRian
- 965 posts since 12 Jul, 2004
yeas, i wasnt impressed by the quality of first Genesis, i have a big respect to Ummet's music production but yeah - i have a feelings that a second version of this synth will be also not the top VST's lineAnX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:01 pmfrom the YT vids and specs, it's not great.
for virtually free, it's ok
im not gonna slag the bloke off, it's peanuts, but not even on my radar
if you own any decent synth, it's prob not on yours...
VST & Hardware presets, FL Studio templates, samples and MIDI from NatLife & friends -www.natlifesounds.com
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- KVRian
- 1339 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from New York
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Now that it's clear that the synth will be 32 bit only it doesn't look like a "business model" anymore. This 1 Euro price is more like some symbolic gesture. Maybe he wants to have an idea how much people have a copy and that's it.
Anyways, even if 32 bit only, it's much better than if he would just let it die on his hard drive.
You may think you can fly ... but you better not try
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- KVRAF
- 2491 posts since 3 Dec, 2006
The first Genesis CM was my very first Supersaw wave Synth that was really pleasant in my mixing to my ears and I loved the bass sounds I could get from it. It was buggy when I tried to automate its filter in Sonar 8.5 pro at that time but I had a workaround filter that used instead for basic pad cutoffs. When I used the synth without automation it was rock solid and stable!NatLife wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:04 pmyeas, i wasnt impressed by the quality of first Genesis, i have a big respect to Ummet's music production but yeah - i have a feelings that a second version of this synth will be also not the top VST's lineAnX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:01 pmfrom the YT vids and specs, it's not great.
for virtually free, it's ok
im not gonna slag the bloke off, it's peanuts, but not even on my radar
if you own any decent synth, it's prob not on yours...
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 30 Aug, 2018
short answer....wagtunes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:41 pmNo one is looking for a pity party. I made a statement. I praised the synth. I don't buy synths anymore. I'm sure it'll do well. I wish him the best.
Does everybody here just live for looking for fights?
It's starting to look that way.
.....YES !
**** It is the reason I really don't participate in conversations here.
