Overpriced Spitfire products

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Harry_HH
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3952 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:59 am

I have heard a lot of praising words about the quality of the Spitfire audio products.

Unfortunately my exprerience does not support this image.

I purchased their Kepler-library.

Firstly, most of the samples are set very, very low volume, some of them are almost inaudible. The user is supposed manually change the volume settings of each of the library instruments, to get them playable.

Spitfire explanation, bad one, is that the samples are ”not normalized”, and set to
-6 dB. And the user should tweak the volume, if needed.

This kind of tweaking of every sample should not belong to the customer. It was the same, if I had to change the carburettor of the brand new purchased Mercedes, before I could drive it.

The Kepler UI "grid" as the UI is most unfortunate.
Firstly, its hard to control, especially in the smaller screens, clicking by mouse the correct point is pure pain.
Secondly, its most unintuitive, and all the "info texts" give information, which you don't need, but not the information, what you need, e. g. what are differencies in the grids 3 categories.
Thirdly, its most confusing, that some of the Kepler instruments include all the different grid note values, but most of the instruments only half and quarter note values. Of course ALL the instruments should include ALL the values.

I have about 100 sample libraries from diffrent developers, i.e. I have material where to compare the Spitfire.

The lesson of of this case is, that the price or reputation of the product/developer, is no guarantee of good experience. Spitfire audio may suit for some people, obviously not for me.

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layzer
KVRAF
6678 posts since 11 Jun, 2006

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am

quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]

ckam03
KVRian
613 posts since 11 May, 2014

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.

m-ac
KVRist
460 posts since 18 Dec, 2007

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:02 am

I don't think spitfire products are overpriced, they just have pretty bad quality control. I wouldn't buy anything from them until you see some real world reviews, then only buy if you're willing to put up with any issues the library as, because it may well never be fixed.

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zvenx
KVRAF
7339 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:10 am

I do not have the Kepler's library so can't comment directly.
And I do agree in general that I too find SF libraries a little too low in volume but nothing that bumping the master output in Kontakt doesnt' solve, however indeed I don't imagine you would want every sample to be normalized (at least in orchestral music with each instrument maintaining its dynamic range.

Orchestral libraries tend to be far more expensive that sample libraries and software synths from other genres, but prices have come down.
That said, personally for what they offer I do not at all find SF Orchestral libraries overpriced at all and they are definitely my favourite orchestral library developers.

However a common complaint mentioned elsewhere that I do agree with is they tend to lead the bugs/warts in much much too long if they are even ever addressed.
rsp
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layzer
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6678 posts since 11 Jun, 2006

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am

ckam03 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am
layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.
if you have any MUSIC SKILL at all you can make even a crappy cello sample sound good. STFU :idiot: :smack:

yeah, go ahead and make yourself more stupid saying this doesnt sound good.
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/ramirez-precious-time
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]

Gregorius
KVRist
122 posts since 30 Jun, 2015

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:28 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am
ckam03 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am
layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.
if you have any MUSIC SKILL at all you can make even a crappy cello sample sound good. STFU :idiot:
Crappy samples and music skill have no correlation. I'm happy to buy more expensive stuff to get multiple articulations, to have loop points set on long samples such that they aren't audible, to have sampled each note multiple times and not just some crap interpolation between a sampled C & G... And I'd actually do not like to spend hours polishing a crappy sample such that it sounds at least usable. I'd like to spend that time in making music.

edit: this was not a spitfire related response, just some general thing
Last edited by Gregorius on Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:31 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Harry_HH
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3952 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:29 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am
ckam03 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am
layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.
if you have any MUSIC SKILL at all you can make even a crappy cello sample sound good. STFU :idiot: :smack:

yeah, go ahead and make yourself more stupid saying this doesnt sound good.
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/ramirez-precious-time
Hi, I think this is not the point. We all know that the skills are essential, in ALL cases.
But the fact is, there are so called high-end products (in every category) available. I.e., there are markets for that stuff anyway.
My thread gives just one case, one story, one experience of these products, which is not the ”final thruth”, but maybe serves as a base of discourse.

Plus, I think that a wise developer listens the voice of customers, and improves his products.

ckam03
KVRian
613 posts since 11 May, 2014

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:30 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am
ckam03 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am
layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.
if you have any MUSIC SKILL at all you can make even a crappy cello sample sound good. STFU :idiot: :smack:

yeah, go ahead and make yourself more stupid saying this doesnt sound good.
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/ramirez-precious-time
Lmao, this is the same song you tried to use last time to prove your point and my answer still hasn't changed. That Cello sounds awful.

Kongru
KVRian
791 posts since 23 Feb, 2017

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:33 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am
ckam03 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:54 am
layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am
quit buying their products and use freeware that doesnt come with a billion GBs of redundant samples
just an idea, :idea:
So we can use crappy Cello samples that you seem to think actually sound good and as good as real sample libraries? Yeah, not a chance.
if you have any MUSIC SKILL at all you can make even a crappy cello sample sound good. STFU :idiot: :smack:

yeah, go ahead and make yourself more stupid saying this doesnt sound good.
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/ramirez-precious-time
I really like the song but that doesn't sound like a Cello, it sounds more like a vuvuzela.
Last edited by Kongru on Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
Signatures are so early 2000s.

AnX
KVRAF
5996 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:36 am

sounds like a kazoo

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
19233 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:47 am

Yeah that doesn't sound like a cello at all :D

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tehlord
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7910 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:49 am

layzer wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am


yeah, go ahead and make yourself more stupid saying this doesnt sound good.
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/ramirez-precious-time

Without a hint of trolling, it does not sound good :shrug:

It's a completely static sample buried in effects to sound 'effective'. Doesn't make it a good cello sample.

FarleyCZ
KVRian
899 posts since 26 Jun, 2008 from Czech Republic

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:51 am

I like their products, but I'm not that rich to buy them often.

Smapti
KVRist
85 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:56 am

The yearly wish list sale has reasonable prices. You can always wait until then.

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