Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

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IgorVayner
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2 posts since 18 Dec, 2019

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:53 pm

Recently I was searching for a good plug-in for my DAW - need to simulate Accordion to do some ethnic dance music for a film score.
I found out Accordions 2 by Best Services sounding pretty neutrally. What do you think - if it is covered with a punchy electronic beat, would it be enough to seem real-sounding? (sound example below)
Does it solve the trick? :)

https://soundcloud.com/igor-vayner/solvd-yur-trck-jazz

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Benedict
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3216 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:38 pm

I will be my usual honest self and so: sorry no. Overall I hear layers of samples collaged over each other and not a performance or Scene.

In these situations, I build from the film - not to try to deliver exactly what is there but the feel that the film is trying to give to the viewer. Seeing it that way moves from trying to deliver an "audio photograph" but "music".

Think about how each of these sounds moves to create that scene and get them moving instead of being stuck there like a noticeboard. Being me I'd rely on synths in key places to help separate from the sense that any of this is literally real. That might even be the accordion so I can create something accordionlike that I can then really move about in tone & time.

Happy to explain more.

:-)

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thejonsolo
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2404 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:05 pm

Accordians 2 sounds really good. I would say, as I would about any emulated/sampled/modeled instrument, that it is more about the performance. A realistic performance can make a mediocre sample sound decent. Using the articulations and aspects of the sample library (that is usually built in) can nicely mimic things such as bellows, swells, tremolos and shakes, and it adds a ton of realism to the final product.

But maybe I don't understand the question.

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ChameleonMusic
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75 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:02 am

Couldn't agree more with 'jonsolo' - I own Acc2 and find it a great library, especially in the mix.

I can't hear any use of key switches for those different articulations or automation or any ongoing editing on this so it sounds flat and lifeless.

Investigate the editing possibilities of the library and you can get great results.
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.

https://soundcloud.com/chameleon-music

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thecontrolcentre
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25678 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:23 am

Sounds more like a melodica than an accordion to me ... not at all realistic.

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Gamma-UT
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5208 posts since 8 Jun, 2009 from UK

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:11 am

It's not a keyswitch problem: it's just not idiomatic accordion playing, which makes any lack of swells and clicks more apparent. You could play accordion like that that (with a bit more in the swell department) but accordion music mostly doesn't use those motifs. You get much more left-hand/right-hand interplay and, for basic stuff, a lot of oom-pa-pa in that left hand.

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ChameleonMusic
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75 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:39 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:11 am
It's not a keyswitch problem: it's just not idiomatic accordion playing, which makes any lack of swells and clicks more apparent. You could play accordion like that that (with a bit more in the swell department) but accordion music mostly doesn't use those motifs. You get much more left-hand/right-hand interplay and, for basic stuff, a lot of oom-pa-pa in that left hand.
Good point - it's just not the way anyone plays an accordion at all...but, believe me a few of those built in KS's would help the realism as well if the playing style was also more appropriate.
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.

https://soundcloud.com/chameleon-music

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Benedict
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3216 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:52 pm

Gamma-UT wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:11 am
It's not a keyswitch problem: it's just not idiomatic accordion playing, which makes any lack of swells and clicks more apparent. You could play accordion like that that (with a bit more in the swell department) but accordion music mostly doesn't use those motifs. You get much more left-hand/right-hand interplay and, for basic stuff, a lot of oom-pa-pa in that left hand.
I also agree but seeing I have never played be no squeezebox I couldn't say how to do it. I assume that the OP also hasn't done the squeeze so short of hiring Flaco I think he's better making his own feel that people take as authentic rather than real.

:-)

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ChameleonMusic
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75 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK

Re: Do you feel this VST for Accordion sounding real?

Post Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:27 am

The thing is - Accordion 2 has preset left hand patterns, so it should be very easy to get a bit of realism in there.
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.

https://soundcloud.com/chameleon-music

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