Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

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Tannaliini
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96 posts since 12 Mar, 2020

Post Sat May 23, 2020 12:40 pm

SamDi wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:40 am
Ana2: I don't have

Serum: rather NO

Pigments: I would say, this is the best option:
Pigments 303
Wow! This sounded very good! Do you know if there were used some extra distortion plugins with Pigments? Sounded acid but also had that 303 warmth in it, which many VST synths lack when trying to make 303. I mean they can get that electric acid sound, but they are missing the warmth. I don't know if I explain it well :oops: :phew:

SamDi
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81 posts since 27 Apr, 2018

Re: Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:40 pm
Wow! This sounded very good! Do you know if there were used some extra distortion plugins with Pigments? Sounded acid but also had that 303 warmth in it, which many VST synths lack when trying to make 303. I mean they can get that electric acid sound, but they are missing the warmth. I don't know if I explain it well :oops: :phew:
No, it is a pure Pigments preset without any external effects. Pigments is a beast, but nobody knows it (what is not true anymore), because the factory presets are that lame and wanna-be oldschool, instead of edgy and catching :D

I can send you the patch via PM, if you want...

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nachenko
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362 posts since 13 Mar, 2018

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:15 pm

Hi, Tannaliini. I'm pretty sure Pigments is able to deliver because Pigments is amazing and super versatile, but I know from experience that ANA 2 is more than fit for the task (actually, Pigments and ANA 2 are two of my favourite synths ever). It has waves captured from a TB-303, several filter models that fit the job, you can apply distortion before, after or between filters, it has 4 macro knobs that you can map to a controller (in my case, a Push) to tweak things in real time, and it has one of the best arpeggiators ever.

Just out of boredom, I recorded a short demo using two default presets and two of mine. Hope it helps you.

https://youtu.be/UNdyiWbp9sY

EDIT after reading SamDi: I'd like to check this Pigments preset too, if you don't mind. I got Pigments a few weeks ago, still exploring it, but the more I use it, the more I like it.
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clipnotic
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219 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Re: Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:26 pm

you can make "303 sounds" with many VSTs for example Sylenth, Rapid ... but the only plugin with the "real 303 feeling" was and is Phoscyon! :D
VST developers need more motivation and best motivation is hardcore criticism! :D
My english is terrible, feel free to correct me! :wink:

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NAD
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1247 posts since 28 Jan, 2004

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:32 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:48 am
And extra point if the synth can get that Faithless "pluck" sound (starts at 2.16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JEm4d6Wu4) :help:
I think that would be very hard to do without using a sample. You could do worse than starting with this: https://sndup.net/2ypp/d
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jbuonacc
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572 posts since 8 May, 2006

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:34 pm

nachenko wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:15 pm
... I recorded a short demo using two default presets and two of mine. Hope it helps you.

https://youtu.be/UNdyiWbp9sY
definitely some cool “acid” lines there, but that Pigments patch above is really impressive.

Trancit
KVRAF
2741 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 2:45 pm

Tannaliini wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:48 am
....
And extra point if the synth can get that Faithless "pluck" sound (starts at 2.16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JEm4d6Wu4) :help:

Old school with modern sounds :hihi:
This famous sound isn´t really a synth pluck ... it´s the Pizzicato sound (sample based) from the Roland JD 990... don´t know exactly anymore

Anyway ... if you google for Faithless Pizzicato Roland you´ll find tons of really good samples of that sound...
A ton of reverb on and with the correct midi off you go... 8)

clipnotic
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219 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 3:08 pm

they made that pluck sound with the JP8000, that's a hardware synth, but the JP6k is a good VST clone! :D

And their keyboard player often used a Korg Trinity or Triton on stage and it seems, they made for example that "God Is A DJ pluck" with one of them ...
VST developers need more motivation and best motivation is hardcore criticism! :D
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focusrite
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372 posts since 20 Aug, 2010

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 3:59 pm


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DJErmac
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1049 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Re: Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 7:15 pm

You can get the Faithless pizzicato in Tone2 Gladiator (near perfect recreation), in ReFX Nexus (samples, several versions, but I think you need expansions to get it), in Vengeance Avenger (a lot of presets use the sample, maybe in expansions also). And I think I've never heard a convincing copy anywhere else. And if you want the true one, you need the Roland JV1080 emulation from the Roland Cloud, the preset should be named "bass pizz" if still named like in my XP80...

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VariKusBrainZ
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9011 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 7:26 pm

SamDi wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:14 pm
factory presets are that lame and wanna-be oldschool
Stated after posting a 303 preset :lol:

vitocorleone123
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523 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Re: Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 8:41 pm

iPhone with Pure Acid

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Distorted Horizon
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3808 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 9:53 pm

Alien303 by G-sonique

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reusenoise
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913 posts since 23 Oct, 2009 from Italy

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Post Sat May 23, 2020 10:34 pm

Dune CM or BE,magazineware Symapse Dune1,good enought and super low on cpu resource.
Or use FM ,here a little demo I made with Toxic Biohazard 8 years ago
https://soundcloud.com/reusenoise/toxic-demo-notateebee

Trancit
KVRAF
2741 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: Best for 303: Serum? Ana2? Pigments2?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 12:11 am

clipnotic wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:08 pm
they made that pluck sound with the JP8000, that's a hardware synth, but the JP6k is a good VST clone! :D
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They didn´t... and they couldn´t as far as they weren´t time traveller!!!

Insomnia was released in 1995 while the JP-8000 came in 1997!!!

They themselves stated in several interviews that this sound came from a JD990 ... it was nothing than the factory preset "Pizzicato Strings" (or only "Pizzicato" I don´t know) with a doubled octave played with lots of reverb...

In later Roland synths like JV-1080/2080 it was then the preset "Bass Pizz" or something similar...

Quote from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_JD-990 :
The JD-990 has been used by artists such as Klaus Schulze,[4] Paul Shaffer,[5] Steve Duda,[6] Vangelis, The Prodigy, Apollo 440, ATB, and Mirwais.[3] Apollo 440 used the JD-990 for atmospheric sounds on the track "The Machine in the Ghost", on the album Gettin' High on Your Own Supply.[7] On the Faithless song "Insomnia", the pizzicato hook is from a JD-990, with added reverb.[8]
I never heard a convincing synthesized replication of this sound...(other than samples...)

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