Native Instruments and slow loading..

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layzer wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:36 am
Kinh wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:10 am
layzer wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:07 am
mgw38 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:46 pm Spent two years researching that problem. No solution. Once you get beyong a certain number of NI products, they become unusable on a Mac. Seems to be a license scan on first instantiation.
its elementary. newer software, more code, more bloat, slower more sluggish daw performance :idea:
I think not :dog:
dont matter what you think, a fat lady is going to run slower than a thin one.
Im sure u know all about that

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Brian Martin wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm I have the same problem on OSX 10.13.6
takes 2 minutes to open Maschine AAX in ProTools (2020.12 latest)
@mgw38
is there a way to delete/unregister some old librarys from the system?
is there a system file where thoses lybraries are listed?
whats your CPU and RAM specs? I found all these newer music software applications were taking a toll on my old i7 Mac Mini. The average CPU hit of some VSTs where in the 20 to 30% while someone with a newer CPU has in the 3 to 5%. Once I upgraded to a slightly newer and faster CPU and RAM, everything worked much faster.

I think with some of this software, if you chose to stick with your older working DAW (and there is nothing wrong with that -- I wish I could as well as I sometimes fell the workflow was faster) it is better to just not upgrade and just use it as is.
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Huh. That isn't my experience at all. I don't often open an NI plugin except in VE Pro, but Battery 4 loaded in like 1s (and a very full library, same) in Cubase 11 Pro; Reaktor 6 took 4s the first time on this system, 3s subsequently. In VE Pro, Reaktor 6, <1s, Battery 4 more/less same as Cubase. Kontakt [5 or 6] so fast I'd need a stopwatch and quicker reflexes than I probably have to measure it. So the slowness isn't universal, one supposes there are different sandboxes than mine/different battles. I have a fair number of things NI and rely on Kontakt heavily. These were VSTs in VE Pro. Some GUIs are flaky in the AU version here. NVME type drive, system drive.

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I have this problem with Battery. I think the size of the library is part of the problem. It's fast enough until I include all the NI expansion libraries... then I wait an easy 30sec for it to open. Subsequent opening of the GUI each time would take maybe 10-15 sec. It's bad enough that I can't really use Battery.

I've tried disabling virus scanning on the Battery folder, but no luck.

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telecode wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:45 am Half a minute sounds too long IMO -- unless you are loading them first time. In addition to other suggestions on here, you could also try moving/removing some 3rd party VSTs. I recall I had some freebies from PB I had installed that slowed Kontakt loading significantly. I removed it as I never even used it.
How could removing a VST speed up loading of Kontakt? I think this is nonsense, sorry.

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praashek wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:01 pm
telecode wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:45 am Half a minute sounds too long IMO -- unless you are loading them first time. In addition to other suggestions on here, you could also try moving/removing some 3rd party VSTs. I recall I had some freebies from PB I had installed that slowed Kontakt loading significantly. I removed it as I never even used it.
How could removing a VST speed up loading of Kontakt? I think this is nonsense, sorry.
NI is known for scanning a lot of stuff in the background, including vst's in the standard folders, for some applications upon loading. I am not sure though if Battery is doing that as well...

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I sometimes have issues loading kontakt and reaktor up. Mostly it's no problem.
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Check your PATH environment variables. If they become too long (as when you have Visual Studio, for example), it can take a long time to traverse the paths.
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exmatproton wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:22 pm
praashek wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:01 pm
telecode wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:45 am Half a minute sounds too long IMO -- unless you are loading them first time. In addition to other suggestions on here, you could also try moving/removing some 3rd party VSTs. I recall I had some freebies from PB I had installed that slowed Kontakt loading significantly. I removed it as I never even used it.
How could removing a VST speed up loading of Kontakt? I think this is nonsense, sorry.
NI is known for scanning a lot of stuff in the background, including vst's in the standard folders, for some applications upon loading. I am not sure though if Battery is doing that as well...
VST scan is performed only by Komplete Kontrol (software) and Maschine (software).

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praashek wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:35 pm VST scan is performed only by Komplete Kontrol (software) and Maschine (software).
And only once per plugin, not every time you start the software.
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It seems it's just changing a setting:
Go File>Options.
Then, click on tab Browser and choose "none" in the unrolling menu Database hit-count display.

I had the same problem but could solve it this way. It worked.

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Someone already suggested making exceptions for the apps and file suffixes in Windows Defender, that one is notorious.
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So I guess we have to live with this issue forever (at least in MacOS). Native Instruments doesn't seem to care about this issue. I have to make a template that loads a dummy instance of Kontakt, Reaktor 6, Battery4, etc before I start creating. As long as 1 instance exists, duplicate instances will always load quickly. Maybe they fixed it in M1. I'm still on an Intel Machine.

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I had this issue in the past, on an Intel mac and mostly with Kontakt, but it disappeared in some way I still don't understand. It could have been linked to the usage data tracking, or to an update I did.
Right now on a M1 pro mac, it's very fast.
I love the sound of most NI synths, but they are generally the worst piece of code that I use on my machine... Plenty of issues, always changing and never fixed. Last one I discovered is that Guitar rig (5 & 6) has latency but it's not compensated (because there's no communication with the DAW). It's exhausting...

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I have the same problem, and also Native Access 2 takes this long time. I bet it's a copy prtoection theme. Has anyone found a solution. Any NI VST like Battery 4, Kontakt 7, Komplete Kontrol and Maschine 2 need 5 Minutes to load on a 5950X 16 cores with 7000 Mhz m.2 Gen 4 SSD on Win11. Only Raktor 6 and Guitar Rig open up in seconds. I have upgraded Komplete CE12 to CE 14 andf now it takes much more Time. Since they take so much time, i don't want to use any NI product. Thats a timekiller

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