How do you Live like that?! ;) :D

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As a Bitwig user, what's your situation with regards to Live?

I never used or tried Live
7
7%
I tried Live, but didn't liked it
20
19%
I was a user, I have an old license but haven't touched it since Bitwig
26
25%
I keep & use Live out of necessity (collabs, work, etc.), but Bitwig is my "main"
12
12%
I keep & use Live together with Bitwig
14
14%
I'm considering switching to Live
4
4%
I have switched to Live
20
19%
 
Total votes: 103

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KVRAF
7508 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:35 am

To "celebrate" Live 11 release today as well as the complex present, past & future relationship and coexistence of both DAWs, I figured it could be interesting to actually see where Bitwig user base stands with regards to Live. I see many outspoken Bitwig users in Live 11 thread, I'm aware of several people moving back & forth - myself included - so I'd love to see the numbers ;)

Obviously, I'd appreciate if you only voted if you're actually and actively using Bitwig, because otherwise the results will be hard to interpret.
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KVRAF
18045 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am

antic604 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:35 am
Obviously, I'd appreciate if you only voted if you're actually and actively using Bitwig, because otherwise the results will be hard to interpret.
Then why make the "I have switched to Live" poll option?

I received the email saying the Live 11 download is in my account. Maybe in a month or two I might download and try it out. I'm satisfied with my setup and workflow with Bitwig and Logic.

I don't think Ableton even notices Bitwig. They are competing with Logic, Studio One and Cubase.

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7508 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:40 am

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am
Then why make the "I have switched to Live" poll option?
Right, my bad :dog: I assumed the switch would be recent(ish) and the person still lurks here :)

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am
I don't think Ableton even notices Bitwig. They are competing with Logic, Studio One and Cubase.
Right, but I think Bitwig users notice Live as something that's closest alternative to Bitwig, when they don't want to go full "linear DAW" route. Hence why the thread is posted here, rather than in General DAW forum :)
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KVRAF
18045 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:46 am

antic604 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:40 am
Right, but I think Bitwig users notice Live as something that's closest alternative to Bitwig, when they don't want to go full "linear DAW" route. Hence why the thread is posted here, rather than in General DAW forum :)
Bitwig was kinda born out of Live, but at this point, I really don't think of them as connected anymore.

There is still so much that Logic does that Live doesn't. Same with Studio One. Live is a poor linear DAW in comparison. I think Logic or Studio One makes a much better companion to Bitwig than Live.

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7508 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:58 am

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:46 am
Bitwig was kinda born out of Live, but at this point, I really don't think of them as connected anymore.
Yes, I agree! I see them more as either/or proposition, hence the poll is designed around Bitwig but going from "not even planning to try Live" all the way up to "I've moved to Live" with just a bit of both in between for people like... us :)

It's not about "which DAW is the best companion to Bitwig".
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KVRian
909 posts since 2 Apr, 2015

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:08 am

I think we are missing an option here:

1. I use live, tried bitwig and went back to live.

P.s. people that went back to live might still be interested in the direction bitwig takes so still look at this forum.

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7508 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:09 am

BobDog wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:08 am
I think we are missing an option here:

1. I use live, tried bitwig and went back to live.

P.s. people that went back to live might still be interested in the direction bitwig takes so still look at this forum.
Good point, but adding it now would reset the poll :( Thanks!
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KVRer
7 posts since 16 Feb, 2020

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:19 am

- I was an Ableton Live devotee for many years (since version 4).
- I moved on to Bitwig 3 for MPE after I found that I couldn’t wait for that feature’s arrival in Live 10 any longer.
- I recently purchased a Live 11 license due to the MPE integration there.
- I quickly realized that I miss Bitwig’s more flexible and deep modulation system.
- I then came running right back to Bitwig.
Anyone want a Live license?

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7508 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:24 am

bitwigger9 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:19 am
- I was an Ableton Live devotee for many years (since version 4).
- I moved on to Bitwig 3 for MPE after I found that I couldn’t wait for that feature’s arrival in Live 10 any longer.
- I recently purchased a Live 11 license due to the MPE integration there.
- I quickly realized that I miss Bitwig’s more flexible and deep modulation system.
- I then came running right back to Bitwig.
Anyone want a Live license?
Heh, that's an awesome story & one that I totally understand (although I'm not selling any of my DAWs anymore) :D :hug:
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KVRian
909 posts since 2 Apr, 2015

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:22 pm

I was very excited about MPE arriving in live 11, but they have messed it up a bit. So for me I probably will not upgrade and will let the discount go. I have 2 weeks to decide, let’s see...

Still interested in renewing BW at some point, the large graphics cpu and GPU hit on my machine is the main reason I stopped using it, along with missing the “simplified” midi routing and audio routing in Live.

Very interested in what v4 has to offer...

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KVRAF
1666 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:36 pm

How do you Bitwig without obsessing about Live?
Surely there's at least a few people who manage it

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Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:03 pm

melomood wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:36 pm
How do you Bitwig without obsessing about Live?
Surely there's at least a few people who manage it
That's what the poll is for. At least 60% of respondents is like that :)
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KVRAF
1666 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:10 pm

May the percentages forever be in your favor

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KVRAF
18045 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:20 pm

melomood wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:36 pm
How do you Bitwig without obsessing about Live?
Surely there's at least a few people who manage it
Cause every DAW has strengths and weaknesses and in any one of them I could fulfill my musical interests.

I have Logic as a backup when I want to do something that simply cannot be done in Bitwig.

Meanwhile, it is a beautiful day where I am and have been outside planting and prepping beds for planting. Today I planted Himalayan Blue Poppies, a gorgeous purple variety of poppy, and Sugar Snap Peas... both green and purple varieties. :)

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KVRAF
1666 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:24 pm

That reminds me.
Have to start prepping the lavender seeds in the fridge soon

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