Arturia V Collection 9 - Official Thread

VST, AU, AAX, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion
Vortifex
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2654 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Fri May 13, 2022 6:36 am

ghettosynth wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:31 amI can, literally, remember being stopped in my tracks on the dancefloor by badly distorted filter sweeps back in the day. I mean this was obvious stuff, long before the advent of good plugins, but in the realm of terrible VA hardware. I have a room full of analog too, that I can't be assed to use these days, but, I don't pretend that my experience is everyone else's. I think that it's reasonable to assume that some people develop serious sensitivities to certain differences that most people don't hear. For example, you will definitely notice DJs stop dancing on the dancefloor when the DJ who's playing slips the records too much and they get off beat. I'm talking shifts so small that they are inaudible to almost everyone else at the party.
I'm sure there are people who can often tell the difference between a plugin and hardware in a studio environment (there is zero chance of that happening on the dancefloor these days), that wasn't really the point. Point was, these minute differences only matter to the person making the record, not the person listening to it. In the context of a completed work, it's irrelevant. When a cult synthwave album is made almost entirely with Arturia's Mini V, and when large swathes of electronic music are made ITB, the notion that software = lower quality music is laughable.

Echoes in the Attic
KVRAF
9620 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:02 am

That new piano sounds very good by the way. I wonder if it's old pianoteq.. umm tech, still.

ghettosynth
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13717 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:09 am

Vortifex wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:36 am Point was, these minute differences only matter to the person making the record, not the person listening to it. In the context of a completed work, it's irrelevant.
As I said, I'm not completely convinced. My reference to the Buchla was not in reference to my own works, I don't own any Buchla hardware. I think that the question is a bit bigger than "detecting the minute differences" though. I think that you can argue all day long about angels on the head of a pin, it's not going to convince me that software is all the way there all the time. It's irrelevant to you, and to me mostly, but I'm not convinced that it's irrelevant, yet.

As far as detecting things on the dancefloor, this is mostly a function of what's popular today, in terms of software, is pretty good, for the most part, but you're not going to convince that it's true for all genres all the time. It's simply that some genres embrace the sound of shitty filters.

misterpatrick
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6 posts since 1 Sep, 2007

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:13 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:48 am
Might sound silly, but what exactly is the upgrade price "from" being shown as $399? V Collection 8? If so, it may indeed be the case you mention.

Did you get any reply from Arturia support? I am curious to know their answer, as it may be useful to me as well, even though I don't have V Collection 8 or any for that matter.
Just heard back from them and it is indeed because I have the payment option. And by upgrade price being shown, what I mean is when you own Arturia software you can check in your account what your upgrade or crossover cost would be for various packages. In my case it is showing the $399. If I pay off V8 then it will be $199. Hope that clears it up.

Funkybot's Evil Twin
KVRAF
9612 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:40 am

Found a bug in Augmented Strings (already reported it to Arturia support but just posting here in case others run into it). The reverb FX seems to not work in at 88.2khz. The "Beautiful Swells" preset sounds like it's got a bitcrusher/sample-rate degredation effect in the left channel. If I go to the macros page and shut off the reverb, the sound is gone. If I change the sample rate to 44.1khz and bring the reverb back, the sound is gone. But 88.2khz+reverb effect is a no-go.

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LoveEnigma18
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4867 posts since 12 Jan, 2018

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:58 am

misterpatrick wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:13 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:48 am
Might sound silly, but what exactly is the upgrade price "from" being shown as $399? V Collection 8? If so, it may indeed be the case you mention.

Did you get any reply from Arturia support? I am curious to know their answer, as it may be useful to me as well, even though I don't have V Collection 8 or any for that matter.
Just heard back from them and it is indeed because I have the payment option. And by upgrade price being shown, what I mean is when you own Arturia software you can check in your account what your upgrade or crossover cost would be for various packages. In my case it is showing the $399. If I pay off V8 then it will be $199. Hope that clears it up.
Okay, thanks for the information.

Yes, I do understand about the offers, but just wanted to make sure that $399 price is from V Collection 8 and not something else. I guess it is probably showing you a crossgrade offer right now from something else rather than an upgrade from VC8, but eventually you will see the $199 upgrade option from VC8.

Cheers!

andrew71
KVRian
566 posts since 16 Jun, 2003

Post Fri May 13, 2022 7:59 am

Possibly a long shot, but does anyone know if the MS20 is compatible with Korg's old hardware MS20 controller which the original Legacy collection shipped with?

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machinesworking
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4378 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:19 am

It's a great collection now. My price was $149 probably be cause I own Pigments and the FX collection as well. The MS20 and new CS80 sound great!

One caveat, MPE is half done, sounds great on things it works with, but Artiuria for some godawful reason allowed for MPE 74 slide control of parameters that do not work with MPE, resulting in a scrambled mess when you slide chords and don't slide held bass notes etc.

noiseboyuk
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3845 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:19 am

andrew71 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:59 am Possibly a long shot, but does anyone know if the MS20 is compatible with Korg's old hardware MS20 controller which the original Legacy collection shipped with?
Kind of. There's no profile set up, but you can midi learn all the controls. Maybe the jacks too, haven't tried that.
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arcadia1984
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182 posts since 12 Feb, 2018

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 am

Any opinions on how the new Prophet stacks against Repro?

vertibration
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677 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:31 am

arcadia1984 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 am Any opinions on how the new Prophet stacks against Repro?
Two different filters. So its the same as asking someone how a rev 2 compares to a rev 3. You will get all sorts of different answers.

I happen to like the Arturia version way better than Repro, based on UI and effects. Sound is subjective, they both sound awesome. I am a sucker for direct UI emulations, and I love that Arturia Prophet 5 looks just like a prophet 5. I also think Arturia has a much better preset system/store in place to download presets and buy them. I also like Arturias preset browser better as well.

Others will obviously disagree. Lots of people will prefer the Rev 3 sound over the Rev 2. I happen to think Arturias prophet 5 sounds really gritty and hits the low end quite well. Repro sounds a bit more polished for my ears without enabling its effects and I dont like that so much.

noiseboyuk
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3845 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:32 am

noiseboyuk wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:19 am
andrew71 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:59 am Possibly a long shot, but does anyone know if the MS20 is compatible with Korg's old hardware MS20 controller which the original Legacy collection shipped with?
Kind of. There's no profile set up, but you can midi learn all the controls. Maybe the jacks too, haven't tried that.
Just tried it - no, sadly no way to map the jacks. Midi-learning the rest is a cinch though.
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arcadia1984
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182 posts since 12 Feb, 2018

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:40 am

vertibration wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:31 am
arcadia1984 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 am Any opinions on how the new Prophet stacks against Repro?
Two different filters. So its the same as asking someone how a rev 2 compares to a rev 3. You will get all sorts of different answers.

I happen to like the Arturia version way better than Repro, based on UI and effects. Sound is subjective, they both sound awesome. I am a sucker for direct UI emulations, and I love that Arturia Prophet 5 looks just like a prophet 5. I also think Arturia has a much better preset system/store in place to download presets and buy them. I also like Arturias preset browser better as well.

Others will obviously disagree. Lots of people will prefer the Rev 3 sound over the Rev 2. I happen to think Arturias prophet 5 sounds really gritty and hits the low end quite well. Repro sounds a bit more polished for my ears without enabling its effects and I dont like that so much.
Thanks for the response, I've been using my u-he stuff less and less since the last batch of updates with V8, was wondering if the Prophet was up to task and it sounds like it'll fit my workflow and sound choices pretty well.

I do love how they manage presets, I've been an avid user since V5 and it's been nothing but steady improvements since 6 on or so. Tons of use out of the DX7 and the newer Jup-8, looks like I'll be upgrading soon then.

ghettosynth
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13717 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:51 am

vertibration wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:31 am
arcadia1984 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 am Any opinions on how the new Prophet stacks against Repro?
Two different filters. So its the same as asking someone how a rev 2 compares to a rev 3.
This makes it interesting enough to demo IMO. I haven't yet, I'll get to it later. I have a real SSM2040 here and it's long been my favorite filter ever. I'm a bit skeptical TBH, and when we're talking about digital not sounding analog, this is probably a tall order from my POV, but I'll give it a try.

vertibration
KVRian
677 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Fri May 13, 2022 8:55 am

arcadia1984 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:40 am
vertibration wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:31 am
arcadia1984 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 am Any opinions on how the new Prophet stacks against Repro?
Two different filters. So its the same as asking someone how a rev 2 compares to a rev 3. You will get all sorts of different answers.

I happen to like the Arturia version way better than Repro, based on UI and effects. Sound is subjective, they both sound awesome. I am a sucker for direct UI emulations, and I love that Arturia Prophet 5 looks just like a prophet 5. I also think Arturia has a much better preset system/store in place to download presets and buy them. I also like Arturias preset browser better as well.

Others will obviously disagree. Lots of people will prefer the Rev 3 sound over the Rev 2. I happen to think Arturias prophet 5 sounds really gritty and hits the low end quite well. Repro sounds a bit more polished for my ears without enabling its effects and I dont like that so much.
Thanks for the response, I've been using my u-he stuff less and less since the last batch of updates with V8, was wondering if the Prophet was up to task and it sounds like it'll fit my workflow and sound choices pretty well.

I do love how they manage presets, I've been an avid user since V5 and it's been nothing but steady improvements since 6 on or so. Tons of use out of the DX7 and the newer Jup-8, looks like I'll be upgrading soon then.
The VS is cool, I do think the MS-20 is awesome. I am still torn on the CS-80. I think its great, but I dont exactly like cluttered UI's.

The pendulum swings both ways when it comes to direct UI emulations. If the original synth had a great layout then it works, but if the original synth has an old or cluttered layout, a direct emulation of the UI will still be a pain in the ass to work with, that doesnt change.

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