Studio One question

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KVRAF
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2168 posts since 26 Jul, 2004

Post Fri May 13, 2022 11:27 am

In cubase it is possible to edit midi notes in the midi clip on the track.
It needs a keyboard command and the view changes and you can edit them without opening the midi editor for it.

Can I do this in Studio one to?

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KVRAF
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2168 posts since 26 Jul, 2004

Post Sat May 14, 2022 8:15 am

No on knows something?

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jamcat
KVRAF
2032 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sat May 14, 2022 9:53 am

I’ve never seen or heard of anything like this in Studio One. Of course, this is also the first time I’ve heard of it in Cubase, either.

Exposing MIDI data to alteration outside of the MIDI editor sounds like a bad idea to me.
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ozinga
KVRist
337 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Sat May 14, 2022 11:17 am

No, it is not possible in Studio One.

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inkwarp
KVRian
896 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Post Sat May 14, 2022 11:39 am

I think the OP is referring to what is called 'Inline editing'.
Instead of opening the midi editor window, you can toggle the track so that the midi clip is displayed on the actual track in the arranger. Reaper does this. So can Waveform. But ozinga is correct, you cannot do it in Studio One...

Trensharo
KVRist
262 posts since 29 Dec, 2019

Post Sat May 14, 2022 12:55 pm

Yea, things like Inline and List Editing aren't available in Studio One. Perhaps it has something to do with how Studio One implements MIDI in that DAW.

Most DAWs have both Inline and List Editing, in addition to a Piano Roll. Even ACID Pro has all of this. So, this is a conscious design decision on the part of the Studio One developers, or a platform limitation (implementation details needed).

It's not alone in missing this, though. I'm pretty sure a few others lack this, like Samplitude Pro X (which works on a strict object-oriented/encapsulation model). That being said, the ergonomics are always in question with inline editing. The track has to be big enough and [horizontally] zoomed in far enough to actually enable you to edit productively. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to even use this method of editing MIDI over the Piano Roll.

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inkwarp
KVRian
896 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Post Sat May 14, 2022 1:27 pm

The navigating and resizing is a pain for me. Its the one aspect of the program I really wish they would revise. Esp. when it comes to automation tracks. It's just 'fiddly' for me.

OllieBoi
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41 posts since 3 May, 2022

Post Sat May 14, 2022 6:19 pm

jamcat wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:53 am I’ve never seen or heard of anything like this in Studio One. Of course, this is also the first time I’ve heard of it in Cubase, either.

Exposing MIDI data to alteration outside of the MIDI editor sounds like a bad idea to me.
Cubase has had inline MIDI editing forever.

You edit audio regions in the song arrange window, right? Inline MIDI editing is the same idea.

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jamcat
KVRAF
2032 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sat May 14, 2022 10:26 pm

OllieBoi wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 6:19 pm You edit audio regions in the song arrange window, right? Inline MIDI editing is the same idea.
No. In Studio One when you double click an audio part, it opens the waveform in the editor window, same as MIDI.

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You can’t actually edit the audio in the Arrange window. You can only nondestructively resize the clip region, which is once again the same for MIDI parts.
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apoclypse
KVRian
939 posts since 17 Oct, 2018

Post Sun May 15, 2022 9:42 am

jamcat wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 10:26 pm
OllieBoi wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 6:19 pm You edit audio regions in the song arrange window, right? Inline MIDI editing is the same idea.
No. In Studio One when you double click an audio part, it opens the waveform in the editor window, same as MIDI.

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You can’t actually edit the audio in the Arrange window. You can only nondestructively resize the clip region, which is once again the same for MIDI parts.
That''s not necessarily true. The Audio editor in S1 pretty much just mirrors what's in the Arrange view. You can do pretty much any of the same functions in the arrange view, reverse, split, even work with time bend markers. You get all the same tools as the Action menu in the Audio Editor if you right click on an audio region and choose audio. There is no real difference between the two editors.

That being said an inline editor for midi doesn't really make sense to me, but I don't have a DAW that has that (Logic, Bitwig, S1, Ableton, so I can't really say how useful it is.
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jamcat
KVRAF
2032 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sun May 15, 2022 1:31 pm

Well apparently there isn’t anything destructive that you can do to the actual audio file in Studio One. If they were to add something like Audition’s waveform drawing, I imagine that would only be done in the editor window.

You don’t want that level of editing exposed on the Arranger, because it becomes too easy to accidentally alter your data.
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LawrenceF
KVRAF
6148 posts since 4 Dec, 2004

Post Wed May 18, 2022 8:51 am

Actually, yes, Musical Functions (the things in that context menu) will work without opening the editor.

Trancit
KVRAF
3458 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Post Wed May 18, 2022 2:46 pm

LawrenceF wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 8:51 am Actually, yes, Musical Functions (the things in that context menu) will work without opening the editor.
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Perhaps you remember that you did for me a little script to be able to open the master chain plugins via a keyboard shortcut...

Well now that there is the Listen bus would the script be able to open these by keyboard shortcut too??
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andrei.tuduran
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432 posts since 11 Nov, 2015

Post Thu May 19, 2022 3:08 am

AFAIK, Studio One doesn't but REAPER does.

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