Korg Op6 vs Arturia DX7 V (vst comparison only), thoughts?

[jamcat]

1. " Is one better ?"
-According to some people , one will be better then the other .
2." If so why ? "
-Subjective reasons

I asked a serious question, this is just stupid. Blocked

[ghostwhistler]

Nothing says productive conversation like a good threadcrap. Off you go

[Gribs]

The Opsix plug-in brings my old Lenovo P-50 to its knees.

[kritikon]

Yeah, it's not what you'd call a "light" plugin. Mind you, many things will bring an old Lenovo P50 to its knees.

[gentleclockdivider]

So I downloaded the korg opsix demo and damn , they messed up the feedback routing .
The feedback in the opsix is taken before the operator enters it's amp envelope section .
It's clearly audible on a single operator with feedback straight to the output and a decaying envelope , it remains a saw .
Yamaha style feedback will gradually turn the saw into a sine wave because the feedback is taken after the operator's env stage , resultng in less harmonic content fed back to the operator becasue of the decaying envelope
So if anyone wonders why the opsix has a hard time replicating yamaha ( feedback enabled ) patches , this is the exact reason why .

[gentleclockdivider]

Edit , the above still stands true when using individual operator feedback .

Just found out , there is also a feedback that works for the operator defined by the algoritm itself , and in that case the feedback is ( luckily )taken after the operator envelope stage .
That being said , I don't see any benefit of the per operator feedback like korg has implemented , otherwise we could recreate tg77 patches .
Plogue ops 7 in extended mode also has feedback per operator and adhering Ymaha style , it's taken after the operator's env stage .
PLogue

And it's getting better , the feedback in the user matrix is also post envelope

Happy camper here

[gentleclockdivider]

And found a graphical bug for algo 20

[vitocorleone123]

Plogue OPS7 is, to me, the best sounding FM plugin (a "bit perfect" reconstruction), but it has a sub-optimal UX. If you want the sound of a DX7 above all else (like the UX), there is no alternative.

[kritikon]

I doubt most bought Opsix wanting an accurate DX. I'm pleased it can do most of the DX type sounds (and it definitely can). TBH if it was a DX emu, I wouldn't have bought it. Comparing it directly to the obsessional detail of how a DX synthesizes is irrelevant...Opsix is definitely not marketed as any kind of DX emu. Whatever kind of feedback it uses, all I know is that I can get infinitely more aggressive and metallic sounds from it than I ever can with my DX. Actually, the DX is quite tame compared...

[gentleclockdivider]

I doubt most bought Opsix wanting an accurate DX. I'm pleased it can do most of the DX type sounds (and it definitely can). TBH if it was a DX emu, I wouldn't have bought it. Comparing it directly to the obsessional detail of how a DX synthesizes is irrelevant...Opsix is definitely not marketed as any kind of DX emu. Whatever kind of feedback it uses, all I know is that I can get infinitely more aggressive and metallic sounds from it than I ever can with my DX. Actually, the DX is quite tame compared...

Don't get me wong , my post was not about obssesive dx behaviour but rather how feedback is implemented .
I am an FM nut , and the first thing I do is to check out the feedback routing .
Luckily korg has done it both ways , pre operator gain envelope and post operator envelope and the latter is crucial to get yamaha style behaviour .
It's a nice synth but I will just stick to ops7-tranzistow and my beloved TG77

[perpetual3]

I’m an FM nut as well and I think Opsix is incredible. I’m absolutely obsessed with the wave shaper effect operator. I love the fact I have this synth in hardware and software. Purely soft synth FM are F’em, and all of the Plogue synths. In hardware the MegaFM is also fantastic.

[Xbucket]

For the opsix it would be great to be able to middle mouse scroll through the different effect types for example. clicking every one is tedious.

[kritikon]

The hw does that. Prolly not reason enough to buy both though . Though I did.

[perpetual3]

I love the Opsix. Yeah, it could be better but it does things no other FM can do and I love the fact that it’s hardware and software. But Korg as usual drops the ball and gives up the lead by refusing to sync the hardware to the software a la Arturia and now Roland.

[Tj Shredder]

If you want the sound of a DX7 above all else (like the UX), there is no alternative.

Only if you prefer the lofi sound of the first DX7. The DX7 II sounded much better…