The jazz world had many figures that were notable for their use of space. Miles Davis probably most famously, but many others such as John Lewis, Ahmad Jamal, Lester Young, Jimmy Guiffre, Gil Evans, Claude Thornhill... I could go on. Here are a few pieces that I recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0e2G32f3IU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2i_5ddSn7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGF7873UxTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UGqvxiZqY
Sparsity as a compositional virtue . . .
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 7 Apr, 2016
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- KVRist
- 277 posts since 4 May, 2022 from drippy, rainy wet western Oregon, USA.
For the ultimate in subtlety -
https://youtu.be/yu_9eQXlsVQ
https://youtu.be/yu_9eQXlsVQ
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- KVRist
- 256 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
Might add some comment, I am musician from my youth when you had to buy hard equipment & practice by ear using some krappy turntable with an amp that always buzzed. Many bands that went nowhere, once even when in a band that on one occasion whilst guitarist & vocalist arguing over a passage the drummer dives through his trap set!...We never knew he was an epileptic-
Much music then was a combo of so many others nobody argued or worried about what 'genre' it was as it was simply a combo of rock, jazz, folk, country, motown or other.
It was either good or not so good, learning was hard & often expensive. Nowadays the resources are endless & learning can be had all over for free but many want the shortcut.
By listening & playing to a wide variety you then make your 'own' unknown genre just like everyone should write their 'own' bible.
It's not how fast or how loud notes are played but it's about how those notes are SHAPED and to always remember that the SPACE between notes is just as important as the notes themselves.
Also knowing how long to make a tune is essential. If your tune has alot of different phrases to convey then maybe a 5 minute tune is in order but a lackluster composition at high BPM & high volume with nowhere to go & just filter sweeps gets boring quickly but some make such into an agonizing 10-12 minute affair is obviously a novice ego let loose.
So with all that verbiage aside you should get influence from a wide variety as possible not limiting to 'genres' at all but just good solid music.
Other than the genre-less bands I was in as per the 70's & 80's I listened to - Average White Band, Stanley Clarke, Jan Hammer, America, Seals & Crofts, Chicago, Joni Mitchell, Redbone, WAR, Stevie Wonder, Pharoah Saunders, Blackbyrds, Gino Vanelli, Bobby Goldsboro, Glen Campbell, Iron Butterfly, Neil Diamond, Eric Gale, Jaco Pastorius, William DeVaughn, Tears for Fears, Sade, Neil Schon, Tommy Bolin, Billy Cobham, Kenny Loggins & many more.
The previous suggestion of The Cars was pretty good for the 'repeat the riff' style maybe some Alan Parsons Project, Jeff Healey did some great stuff, The early solo albums of Rick Derringer were good too.
Much music then was a combo of so many others nobody argued or worried about what 'genre' it was as it was simply a combo of rock, jazz, folk, country, motown or other.
It was either good or not so good, learning was hard & often expensive. Nowadays the resources are endless & learning can be had all over for free but many want the shortcut.
By listening & playing to a wide variety you then make your 'own' unknown genre just like everyone should write their 'own' bible.
It's not how fast or how loud notes are played but it's about how those notes are SHAPED and to always remember that the SPACE between notes is just as important as the notes themselves.
Also knowing how long to make a tune is essential. If your tune has alot of different phrases to convey then maybe a 5 minute tune is in order but a lackluster composition at high BPM & high volume with nowhere to go & just filter sweeps gets boring quickly but some make such into an agonizing 10-12 minute affair is obviously a novice ego let loose.
So with all that verbiage aside you should get influence from a wide variety as possible not limiting to 'genres' at all but just good solid music.
Other than the genre-less bands I was in as per the 70's & 80's I listened to - Average White Band, Stanley Clarke, Jan Hammer, America, Seals & Crofts, Chicago, Joni Mitchell, Redbone, WAR, Stevie Wonder, Pharoah Saunders, Blackbyrds, Gino Vanelli, Bobby Goldsboro, Glen Campbell, Iron Butterfly, Neil Diamond, Eric Gale, Jaco Pastorius, William DeVaughn, Tears for Fears, Sade, Neil Schon, Tommy Bolin, Billy Cobham, Kenny Loggins & many more.
The previous suggestion of The Cars was pretty good for the 'repeat the riff' style maybe some Alan Parsons Project, Jeff Healey did some great stuff, The early solo albums of Rick Derringer were good too.
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15955 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
First of all, there is no such word as "sparity". With that out of the way...
It's rare that I see either The Fixx or AFOS cited so to see you citing both puts this firmly within my wheelhouse. Have you listened to much Fischer-Z? The Stranglers? How about Devo? Some mid-era Siouxsie & the Banshees might also be fertile ground for you, as well as PiL.
It's rare that I see either The Fixx or AFOS cited so to see you citing both puts this firmly within my wheelhouse. Have you listened to much Fischer-Z? The Stranglers? How about Devo? Some mid-era Siouxsie & the Banshees might also be fertile ground for you, as well as PiL.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4146 posts since 10 Oct, 2002 from Nashville, TN USA
Ah, my bad! Sparsity. Can't seem to edit the thread title at this point.BONES wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:50 am First of all, there is no such word as "sparity". With that out of the way...
It's rare that I see either The Fixx or AFOS cited so to see you citing both puts this firmly within my wheelhouse. Have you listened to much Fischer-Z? The Stranglers? How about Devo? Some mid-era Siouxsie & the Banshees might also be fertile ground for you, as well as PiL.
I've never heard a note from Fischer-Z or The Stranglers. Will check it out. Thanks.
DEVO and PiL I've heard a lot of and like it. Mr. Rotten never gets the credit he deserves for hooks and how he developed actual vocal skill, IMO.
Siouxie is wonderful. Been grooving on her stuff since it was new in the world. I think she was one of the artists that somehow led me to get into Curve and some of the other female-fronted shoegaze type bands.
Cheers!
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- 15955 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
If you want to edit the thread title, edit your original post and it should let you, IIRC.
I think you'll like Fischer-Z and he still releases albums on a regular basis. The early stuff is the best place to start, though. The first three albums are brilliant.
I think you'll like Fischer-Z and he still releases albums on a regular basis. The early stuff is the best place to start, though. The first three albums are brilliant.
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