ToneX versus

[Bombadil]

I still find Scuffham Amps excellent. Very easy to dial in great tonez, and very light on the CPU. But I do love Tonex.

[DonSantiago]

Sounds like you might have your input level set too high.

I have the input set to -90dB, completely rolled off. It works great with other apps. I'd better take a look at the manual. Thank you.

[guitarzan]

Sounds like you might have your input level set too high.

I have the input set to -90dB, completely rolled off. It works great with other apps. I'd better take a look at the manual. Thank you.

I should’ve just said high or low… ToneX is particular about input level and it can vary from capture to capture (one of the most common complaints about ToneX is a lack of a standard calibrated input level procedure).

I am using the iOS version and I just use the knob on my Apogee Jam+ interface so I don’t know anything to recommend for other platforms.

I actually bought the ToneX One pedal soon after release but have yet to use it because I hate the idea of having to drag out my old Windows notebook. If they don’t make it so the iOS app can be the librarian and editor I might just sell the pedal, my iPhone does a great job with ToneX plus a bunch of other plugins in AUM.

[lunardigs]

Audio Assault recently released a snapshoter: https://audioassault.mx/snapshots

"Non AI-Based DSP Amp Capture
Automatic Tonestack & Power Amp Generation
Generate A Snapshot in Seconds!"

At a guess, it's a hybird IR player combined with an amp sim, and it does sound good to my ears. It's also lite on cpu.

[zerocrossing]

Audio Assault recently released a snapshoter: https://audioassault.mx/snapshots

"Non AI-Based DSP Amp Capture
Automatic Tonestack & Power Amp Generation
Generate A Snapshot in Seconds!"

At a guess, it's a hybird IR player combined with an amp sim, and it does sound good to my ears. It's also lite on cpu.

My problem with Audio Assault is that I don’t like how they ala cart every single thing. I want them to just have a bundle and price it similarly to how IK or Line 6 price their bundles.

[chroma]

Two notes genome is another good one, also maybe like that - a good amount built in. But also gets expensive if you want all their a la carte stuff.

[lunardigs]

Audio Assault recently released a snapshoter: https://audioassault.mx/snapshots

"Non AI-Based DSP Amp Capture
Automatic Tonestack & Power Amp Generation
Generate A Snapshot in Seconds!"

At a guess, it's a hybird IR player combined with an amp sim, and it does sound good to my ears. It's also lite on cpu.

My problem with Audio Assault is that I don’t like how they ala cart every single thing. I want them to just have a bundle and price it similarly to how IK or Line 6 price their bundles.

I'm okay with it, so far, but yeah, it's a revenue model
Amp Locker works out the license management pretty well now days, so ... In general, I'd say they've made pretty rational design choices, improving obvious things, polishing stuff, continually and not going overboard.

Truly though, it's their support of Linux that has me captive, which isn't a bad thing at all, because I might not have looked at them otherwise--I'm not a djent, or heavy metal guy exactly, I like more classic tones--and presently it's my goto rig.

[Vectorman]

I find myself probably the most satisfied I've ever been with guitar sounds after getting TONEX. It's my go-to now for anything crunch, low-gain/semi-dist, and lead sounds. I might still use other things for really pristine, sparkly cleans (like '80s-esque cleans) sometimes. TONEX just sounds more like what I hear on albums I like with less fuss. I'll quad track crunch guitars, run them to a bus, and then put oeksound Soothe on the bus to clamp down on any excessive resonant spikes and smooth it out a tad. Also add a smidge of room verb. Fairly minimal EQ needed. Just works.

[jamcat]

But the underlying tech doesn't matter. Just set up a DI track with the real Amp and the Profile to A/B test. This guy shows how the ToneX trainer is getting it right across all amplitudes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuBHeElcciw

God damn that guy talks too much. 6 minutes straight of talking in the beginning before he even touches a guitar. And then almost 15 minutes before he gets to the actual recorded comparisons.

[electro]

Sounds like you might have your input level set too high.

I have the input set to -90dB, completely rolled off. It works great with other apps. I'd better take a look at the manual. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAL9AEWkoDM&t=238s

[cesjr]

ToneX captured tweed Deluxe is the most touch responsive “amp” I have played since my early teens when old tweed era amps were the cheap beater amps of the day. I have begun to vary my playing techniques in ways that haven’t made sense since those days because there was no payoff, even with newer tube amps, but especially with physically modeled amp sims. The capture tech gets the rich harmonics of the vintage output transformer; that ringing chime, almost like a chorus with extremely subtle dynamic sweep. The sag (another element that no modeler ever got even close to right) is working its dynamic magic too. I don’t care one bit about the knobs not being modeled because those old amps had pretty much only one setting where they sounded right anyway, so a good capture then finessed with the available added EQ and gain capability provided is way close enough for rock ‘n’ roll.

What profile are you using?

[guitarzan]

I think there is some confusion in the quotes there, but I am just using the included Pushed Oldie profile set to the clean side of breakup. It might not seem all that impressive to others but the feel is perfect to me.

Like I said, cab off and using the Nembrini external IR loader because I find their included power amp sim and EQ crucial to coupling the profile to the Jay Mitchell IR and tweaking it into behaving the way I want. I also use ToneX EQ post and spent hours getting that where I want it. I’ve tried several other profiles of tweed Deluxes but none have that output transformer and sag thing the way I like, and most are too gained up and noisy.

I plan to add gain stages and further sag myself using pedals (etc), I have a large collection of tweedy stuff from decades of seeking full tweed meltdown at non-seismic volume level. I feel I will need an actual transformer coupled vintage speaker to really get the screaming lead thing though, it relies so heavily on speaker dynamics, but I think I can do it under 100db with a vintage low wattage solid state push-pull power amplifier output transformer coupled to a low wattage and very old and degaussed Jensen P10S alnico speaker. The one I have is from 1948 and is quite pristine, but should be quite inefficient by now (good thing for me).

[Danilo Villanova]

I basically just kept Tonex and STL Tonality Howard Benson. That thing is sweet.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

ToneX, NAM etc are snapshots. They're like the neural network equivalent of impulse responses. Unlike IRs they're not a static snapshot, but one that can capture more of the analog behaviour. So they will respond more accurately to dynamics etc. But they're still a capture of one setting on an amp. There's no flexibility beyond that. The eq/tone section of the amp isn't modeled like a traditional amp sim. Instead you get some generic tone control.

That “generic tone control,” isn’t nothing. Between it and the gain control, you can actually get a lot of useful variation out of a single capture. It’s not similar to your amp’s onboard controls, but it’s pretty useful for making tweaks to get the capture to work in a mix. I picked a capture a few days ago for a rhythm track, and when the rest of the tracks were done, I realized that I needed a bit more gain and midrange. I could have searched for another capture, but instead I just upped the gain and mids and got a perfect result.

Not to mention that TONEX takes pedals incredibly well. Pushing models on one of the TONEX pedals with another boost/drive or even EQ pedal works much better than even I expected, honestly. Similar to how I like using various pedals to turn my Tiny Terror into a pseudo multi-channel amp with boosts and such.

And with TONEX ONE, I do find the EQ and gain tweaks I can make on the tiny pedal quite effective for tweaking and shaping the tones - I just don't expect the changes to be radical like I'm hearing a completely new amp, more like the tweaks you describe.

TL;DR - I agree with your experience and opinion and also must point out how well TONEX responds to pedals.

P.S. - The TONEX 1.7.4 update was released this morning.

[jamcat]

P.S. - The TONEX 1.7.4 update was released this morning.

And the amp/cab disable bug STILL isn't fixed.