Most fully functioned analog-style stepsequencer?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
So far I've found ClockWOrK by WOK which is pretty good, but are there any good freeware ones around? I'm NOT looking for something designed to make static 2-bar loops, but rather something that'll let me make Tangerine Dream esque evolving sequences where notes are added, removed, random skipping can be brought in via probability, playdirection can change, notes can be transposed (preferably forced to scale/mode as an option), pattern can be shifted in time, etc. The more realtime sequence tweaking, the better!
ClockWOrK has a lot of these functions but I'm wondering what else is out there. Hopefully freeware but will spend money if I have to
EDIT: I found this 5 minutes after making this post:
http://tubeohm.com/TubeOhm/Stepper_XL.html
Looks like it has everything I want!
EDIT: It has almost everything... It's missing a "skip step" flag for each step, and shifting the sequence forwards and backwards, plus a couple of other wacky ideas I want Apart from that, good show!
Mods, feel free to delete this post, or we can talk about stepsequencer solutions or something? *shrug*
ClockWOrK has a lot of these functions but I'm wondering what else is out there. Hopefully freeware but will spend money if I have to
EDIT: I found this 5 minutes after making this post:
http://tubeohm.com/TubeOhm/Stepper_XL.html
Looks like it has everything I want!
EDIT: It has almost everything... It's missing a "skip step" flag for each step, and shifting the sequence forwards and backwards, plus a couple of other wacky ideas I want Apart from that, good show!
Mods, feel free to delete this post, or we can talk about stepsequencer solutions or something? *shrug*
Last edited by Sendy on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:48 am, edited 2 times in total.
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- KVRian
- 910 posts since 21 Aug, 2011
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- KVRAF
- 11139 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
I like WOK's ClockWOrK, but was going to hip you to "Stepper"... Nice huh?
For a little 'spice' in pursuing those "Tangerine Dream esque evolving sequences":
HyperCyclic
Then, a bit more esoteric:
Noatikl
There are a number of others, but I'm not at my main DAW at the moment, to have my memory sufficiently jogged, so I'll come back when I'm home.
For a little 'spice' in pursuing those "Tangerine Dream esque evolving sequences":
HyperCyclic
Then, a bit more esoteric:
Noatikl
There are a number of others, but I'm not at my main DAW at the moment, to have my memory sufficiently jogged, so I'll come back when I'm home.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Numerology is something I might want to look into in the future, as an alternate environment.
I've ordered the TubeOhm plugin and am 85% happy with what it can do, but I'm really suprised there isn't a stepsequencer solution out there that lets you do every kind of alteration to the pattern you can think of in realtime, sort of like every sequence management feature ever thought up included in it.
If I could program I'd get on it as I have a few ideas
I've ordered the TubeOhm plugin and am 85% happy with what it can do, but I'm really suprised there isn't a stepsequencer solution out there that lets you do every kind of alteration to the pattern you can think of in realtime, sort of like every sequence management feature ever thought up included in it.
If I could program I'd get on it as I have a few ideas
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Thanks for the suggestions! Noatikl looks a bit *too* out there for my purposes, but HyperCyclic is really getting me excited at first glanceShabdahbriah wrote: HyperCyclic
Then, a bit more esoteric:
Noatikl
There are a number of others, but I'm not at my main DAW at the moment, to have my memory sufficiently jogged, so I'll come back when I'm home.
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- KVRian
- 1092 posts since 1 Jul, 2008
+1 though the interface is far from intuitive at first - stick with it because (surprisingly) it's still by far the most powerful VST step sequencer on Windows.Caco wrote:Take a look at Era2, it's not free but it is cheap and is well worth a look.
I often yearn for a 32 step version though. Thesys is no replacement.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Anyone know where I can actually *buy* Era2? The shop on their website just forwards me onto Sugar Bytes and says they're selling it. But... They don't mention Era2 on their site at all! They have some similar product called Thesys which looks pretty good, but it doesn't seem to have all the features that Era2 had.stimresp wrote:+1 though the interface is far from intuitive at first - stick with it because (surprisingly) it's still by far the most powerful VST step sequencer on Windows.Caco wrote:Take a look at Era2, it's not free but it is cheap and is well worth a look.
I often yearn for a 32 step version though. Thesys is no replacement.
EDIT: Well, with a bit of googling around I've found it. It appears to be on the Sugar Bytes site, but it doesn't seem to be linked from their products, shop or other pages (strange). If it is, they did a good job of hiding it
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- KVRian
- 1465 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK
You might also want to take a look at nodal:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~cema/nodal/index.html
It's not a VST, but it can integrate with your sequencer of choice very easily using something like MIDI Yoke. The patterns you create can be as rigid or random as you design them to be. You can even have different sequences triggered by note on messages from your host, which when set up correctly with a loop back device, to send a MIDI stream to your host. The free version doesn't save any patches that you make, but you can still stream and record the MIDI and get a good feel for if it is for you. Upgrade to saving patches is $30.
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~cema/nodal/index.html
It's not a VST, but it can integrate with your sequencer of choice very easily using something like MIDI Yoke. The patterns you create can be as rigid or random as you design them to be. You can even have different sequences triggered by note on messages from your host, which when set up correctly with a loop back device, to send a MIDI stream to your host. The free version doesn't save any patches that you make, but you can still stream and record the MIDI and get a good feel for if it is for you. Upgrade to saving patches is $30.
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.
Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.
Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt
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- KVRian
- 1371 posts since 21 Oct, 2004 from New England Transplant to West LA
Bidule can do just about anything you need in this dept.
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense." http://rhythminmind.net - http://signaltonoize.com
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Thanks for all the suggestions! In the end I decided to cover all my bases with both Stepper XL and ERA2 (which I haven't had a proper play with yet, but sounds amazing). The other software looks really interesting, and might be something I get into later.
I don't know what's triggered this sudden interest in step sequencing and semi-procedural generation, but there's a whole bunch of really interesting stuff out there. I'm imagining a synthline where the octave, note and filter sequences are all different length polyrhythms that interfere and weave around eachother, and then being able to delete, add and change the duration of notes arbitrarily...
By the way, is the KVR "random hourly plugin" thingy listening in on me? It's showing me nothing but sequencing and midi/arping tools at the moment
Final thought: I found this on youtube while I was researching this stuff... It's pretty impressive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZUUOKu ... plpp_video
I don't know what's triggered this sudden interest in step sequencing and semi-procedural generation, but there's a whole bunch of really interesting stuff out there. I'm imagining a synthline where the octave, note and filter sequences are all different length polyrhythms that interfere and weave around eachother, and then being able to delete, add and change the duration of notes arbitrarily...
By the way, is the KVR "random hourly plugin" thingy listening in on me? It's showing me nothing but sequencing and midi/arping tools at the moment
Final thought: I found this on youtube while I was researching this stuff... It's pretty impressive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZUUOKu ... plpp_video
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- KVRAF
- 11139 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
Most recent KVR [started "conceptualizing" here in '06 IIRC] thread:Sendy wrote:
Final thought: I found this on youtube while I was researching this stuff... It's pretty impressive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDZUUOKu ... plpp_video
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=210
Yahoo group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zyklusimprovisor/
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- KVRAF
- 5158 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia
I am interested in this,
and can develop a little bit.
I have MAX/msp,
SynthMaker & Usine.
I have developed a monophonic stream sequencer w/-arp,
which is sample accurate and has 64 patterns,
and sequencers for slide, velocity and pan-
Also a polyhonic MIDI sequencer with 32 patterns & 128 steps.
It has a setting which provides maximum 8 samples error.
I want to build a generative machine,
using the devices from these 2.
So yeah, I'm interested in ur ideas.
Do u want to start building something?
I'd rather not promise to have something quickly though.
brb, I'll get screens of my sequencers
and can develop a little bit.
I have MAX/msp,
SynthMaker & Usine.
I have developed a monophonic stream sequencer w/-arp,
which is sample accurate and has 64 patterns,
and sequencers for slide, velocity and pan-
Also a polyhonic MIDI sequencer with 32 patterns & 128 steps.
It has a setting which provides maximum 8 samples error.
I want to build a generative machine,
using the devices from these 2.
So yeah, I'm interested in ur ideas.
Do u want to start building something?
I'd rather not promise to have something quickly though.
brb, I'll get screens of my sequencers
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- KVRAF
- 1754 posts since 30 Jul, 2007
Get into the tracker world... Jeskola Buzz to be specific.
www.jeskola.net
It is free and steadily improving...
www.jeskola.net
It is free and steadily improving...
- KVRAF
- 5158 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia