It would be too too silly.hibidy wrote:It would be too too digital?izonin wrote: a native Kemper amp sim. I guess everyone knows why it's never gonna happen.
Are we seeing the decline of the plug-in industry?
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
It would be convenient. But would prolly draw too much juice. The main reason I don't have one is because it's just too much trouble to set up. I like the convenience of my amp sims.
- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Sg7bq6wuwhibidy wrote:It would be too too digital?izonin wrote: a native Kemper amp sim. I guess everyone knows why it's never gonna happen.
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 20 Nov, 2005
The way I feel, kids like to download illegal software because it gives them a cheap 5-second thrill. They aren't happy, they don't care about any-one, they don't have a connection to anyone, they aren't serious about making music, and most importantly, they certainly suck at making music.
The plug-in industry is stronger than ever and constantly getting stronger.
The plug-in industry is stronger than ever and constantly getting stronger.
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- KVRAF
- 2746 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
Well, okay, but, I certainly suck at making music - am I eligible to get plugins free from now on?daExpert wrote:The way I feel, kids like to download illegal software because it gives them a cheap 5-second thrill. They aren't happy, they don't care about any-one, they don't have a connection to anyone, they aren't serious about making music, and most importantly, they certainly suck at making music.
The plug-in industry is stronger than ever and constantly getting stronger.
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- KVRist
- 404 posts since 12 Jan, 2008 from Sweden
Google search doesn't prove anything. Most of those results are fake links that will redirect you to porn sites or some other sh*t. Also, many valid links are just mirrors of one or two hosting servers. Some of the links are scam and ask you for money to download. And finally, there is no guarantee that a supposed 'crack' is actually a crack, not some trojan for example.robotmonkey wrote:Well, unfortunately, a simple Google search would prove you wrong on this one.Urs wrote:Piracy? When have we last seen a working crack of a decent plugin?
- KVRian
- 1246 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from /* whitenoise */
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936
- KVRian
- 1136 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
Yep. And apart from half-working cracks or trojan-infected downloads, new versions of a plugin may stop working or refuse to load patches saved with a cracked version. For users serious about making music it's definitely not a good idea to bother with cracks.tenshin111 wrote:Google search doesn't prove anything. Most of those results are fake links that will redirect you to porn sites or some other sh*t. Also, many valid links are just mirrors of one or two hosting servers. Some of the links are scam and ask you for money to download. And finally, there is no guarantee that a supposed 'crack' is actually a crack, not some trojan for example.robotmonkey wrote:Well, unfortunately, a simple Google search would prove you wrong on this one.Urs wrote:Piracy? When have we last seen a working crack of a decent plugin?
Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com
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- KVRian
- 660 posts since 12 Sep, 2007 from Sweden
This thread could pretty much have ended here.ScottZ wrote:I thought that was all normal around the 2 biggest holidays?
Besides, I think there are more high-quality plug-ins than ever in every price range from free to $400+.
Hardware: Akai MPK61, MFB-Synth II, Roland JX-8P, Virus TI Snow, KORG MS2000R, Roland SH-01
Favorite software: Sylenth1, Synth1, Messiah, ME80, OPX-Pro II, Zebra 2, Diva, Reason, Studio One V2 Pro
Favorite software: Sylenth1, Synth1, Messiah, ME80, OPX-Pro II, Zebra 2, Diva, Reason, Studio One V2 Pro
- KVRAF
- 3834 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
In short: plug-ins will only get better. I'm a Vulcan soul. There's nothing to discuss about it.
In long, though, my style...
However, I think that it's really essential for everybody to at least give a try to some hardware FX, and see/learn what is it all about. Don't just diss blindly what you haven't experienced yourself.
That being said, I still couldn't manage without at least a few pieces of hardware. it's got nothing to do with elitism or cocks. It's just that it makes me happy to achieve a particular kind of sound much more quickly, and hardware gives you that. You don't have to apply and tweak 3.5 different plugins to get it right. Hardware is a time savour, and even cheap stuff can make a difference, like guitar pedals, for instance. Before delving into that territory make sure you have lots of I/O on your audio interface, because once you acquire an interesting sounding guitar pedal, you'll want more.
Best of both worlds, guys, best of both worlds... that is the answer to all your questions. Using hardware and plugins in parallel will reveal what you like and how you like it. Just please don't diss anything before you've even tried it.
Speaking from experience, of course. I'm far from a hardware bitch, I can tell you, but it's really useful to have a few pieces of compressors or tube processors, or distortions... whatever makes your heart jump and ears bleed in a nice way [is there !!?].
Guitar pedals are really inexpensive, and if you choose the right one it can help you achieve "that sound" so much quicker than a zillion of amp simulations. I like to distort sounds, and guitar pedals are really helpful. It just sounds different to amp simulations. I don't think amp simulations sound bad, just different. It all depends on what you want. Using ears is advisable.
So no, I don't see a decline in the plugins industry. I think it will only get better. But the programming is getting a bit out of hand. Plugins are becoming really memory and resources in general too consuming, just to look nice. The code that processes audio can take about 5-10% of the resources the plugin uses. I think that's utterly stupid. Are we making music or paintings??? If you're making paintings, stick to painting, please. I'm listening to how plugins sound, not how they friggin' look. It helps with the production, immensely. Please stop falling for the looks guys, most seriously, use YOUR EARS!!!
Cheers!
In long, though, my style...
However, I think that it's really essential for everybody to at least give a try to some hardware FX, and see/learn what is it all about. Don't just diss blindly what you haven't experienced yourself.
That being said, I still couldn't manage without at least a few pieces of hardware. it's got nothing to do with elitism or cocks. It's just that it makes me happy to achieve a particular kind of sound much more quickly, and hardware gives you that. You don't have to apply and tweak 3.5 different plugins to get it right. Hardware is a time savour, and even cheap stuff can make a difference, like guitar pedals, for instance. Before delving into that territory make sure you have lots of I/O on your audio interface, because once you acquire an interesting sounding guitar pedal, you'll want more.
Best of both worlds, guys, best of both worlds... that is the answer to all your questions. Using hardware and plugins in parallel will reveal what you like and how you like it. Just please don't diss anything before you've even tried it.
Speaking from experience, of course. I'm far from a hardware bitch, I can tell you, but it's really useful to have a few pieces of compressors or tube processors, or distortions... whatever makes your heart jump and ears bleed in a nice way [is there !!?].
Guitar pedals are really inexpensive, and if you choose the right one it can help you achieve "that sound" so much quicker than a zillion of amp simulations. I like to distort sounds, and guitar pedals are really helpful. It just sounds different to amp simulations. I don't think amp simulations sound bad, just different. It all depends on what you want. Using ears is advisable.
So no, I don't see a decline in the plugins industry. I think it will only get better. But the programming is getting a bit out of hand. Plugins are becoming really memory and resources in general too consuming, just to look nice. The code that processes audio can take about 5-10% of the resources the plugin uses. I think that's utterly stupid. Are we making music or paintings??? If you're making paintings, stick to painting, please. I'm listening to how plugins sound, not how they friggin' look. It helps with the production, immensely. Please stop falling for the looks guys, most seriously, use YOUR EARS!!!
Cheers!
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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David Carpenter Wind Core David Carpenter Wind Core https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=196097
- KVRist
- 223 posts since 17 Dec, 2008 from Boulder CO
I think something similar to the motif can be recreated in freeware form. The hard part is recording and processing all the samples making a sampler from scratch and then giving it away.
To do something like this for free would take a collaboration. It would be interesting to see a developer challenge to make a single rocking open source sampler with advanced functions.
To do something like this for free would take a collaboration. It would be interesting to see a developer challenge to make a single rocking open source sampler with advanced functions.
The sleeper must awaken.
- KVRian
- 752 posts since 19 Mar, 2011
Its not the sampler, its the working of all parts togheter.diggler wrote:I think something similar to the motif can be recreated in freeware form. The hard part is recording and processing all the samples making a sampler from scratch and then giving it away.
To do something like this for free would take a collaboration. It would be interesting to see a developer challenge to make a single rocking open source sampler with advanced functions.
That would be a hard peace of shi*.
Like i told, if you would get it as vsti for 50 bugs i even would be scared.
- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
In that respect i'll stay with my Motif ES 7 then.tomtoo wrote:Its not the sampler, its the working of all parts togheter.diggler wrote:I think something similar to the motif can be recreated in freeware form. The hard part is recording and processing all the samples making a sampler from scratch and then giving it away.
To do something like this for free would take a collaboration. It would be interesting to see a developer challenge to make a single rocking open source sampler with advanced functions.
That would be a hard peace of shi*.
Like i told, if you would get it as vsti for 50 bugs i even would be scared.
A recreation would be about the samples, sampling, filters (18 models), envelopes, FXs, Arpeggiator, Pattern sequencer and last but not least 1024 mostly excellent presets.
I do not doubt this could be recreated witgh software at some stage but i doubt it will be freeware. I think it will be even quite expensive (for a plugin) maybe.
Ingo
Ingo Weidner
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Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 / Pro Tools Ultimate 2021 // NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1
Win 10 Home 64-bit / mobile i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM //
Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 / Pro Tools Ultimate 2021 // NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1
- KVRian
- 752 posts since 19 Mar, 2011
Ingonator wrote: A recreation would be about the samples, sampling, filters (18 models), envelopes, FXs, Arpeggiator, Pattern sequencer and last but not least 1024 mostly excellent presets.
Ingo