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electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:05 am

Rebirth is from the 90s and before VST.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:14 am

Will the official Roland response settle it?
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/roland-vi ... loud-40075

risome · Post by **risome** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:37 am

The hardware TR808 and TR909 both sounded shitty till you ran the individual outs through a mixer EQ/d compressed and effected them.There are a lot of virtual TR's that sound great The TR-8 is much closer .The virtual TR's are the smell of steak the TR-8 is steak.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:49 am

According to Roland the TR-08 and TR-09 boutiques improve on the modelling in TR-8

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:51 am

electro wrote:According to Roland the TR-08 and TR-09 boutiques improve on the modelling in TR-8

So that makes it the .. prime rib?

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 am

I'm guessing the VSTs have the same synthesis as the boutiques.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:15 am

electro wrote:808 sample collections may sound good, but shouldn't count as emulations.

Exactly this. You can find plethora of 808/909 samples on the net, even for free. And there are a lot of 'emulations' that only strictly sampled based.

So iirc this only leaves D16 Nepheton etc and Roland as pure emulations. (Maybe HeartBeat too ? ) The TR-808 synthesis is very complex, with dedicated and sophisticated circuits for almost each of its sounds.

In StiX we have a 808 based on Wave Alchemy samples. Sounds good, and you can torture the samples with StiX synthesis to get from subtle variations to otherworldly results. Or marry them with analog oscillators. Still only samples.

The possibly good news -for StiX owners- is that I'm currently working hard trying to emulate the whole TR-808 by synthesis only. And some results are already more than encouraging (Not all sounds though, because of too big topology differences for a few of the circuits, that might hopefully be more/less reduced in a future version, though these specific sounds beeing hard to emulate already show a kind of common character/flavor at least, except one I'm atm desperate to fix correctly -but I haven't lost hope though

. Once this is done, 'this' TR-808, hopefully very close to the original for all the sounds, especially if a few topologies are modified/added, will not only be pure synthesis, and tweakable in ways no emulations can do it : It will also be free and included in StiX next versions. (And apparently a significant part of it nervetheless will at least be very faithfull, i.e nearly impossible to distinguish from the original I think)

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:20 pm

I know it is far from being an 808 emulator, but I have an 808 patch for Microtonic that I like a lot, it came with I think an Xmas bonus sounds et, it is a good starting point and easy to tweak in a mix. Every time I try out a new drum machine for 808, I find myself back with Microtonic because it is so straightforward and solid, and all the sound is synthesized.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:27 pm

Anything new competitive with cloud?

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:00 am

Lotuzia wrote: So iirc this only leaves D16 Nepheton etc and Roland as pure emulations.

No, thats not correct.

There is also ADM by AudioRealism (which not only emulates the 808 but the 606 and 909 as well), and there is TS-808 by Tactile Sounds, which is a (quite good) component-modelled 808 emulation too.

And these 2 are just off the top of my head...im pretty sure there are a few others that are true emulations i.e. not sample based.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:33 pm

i think ADM is sample-based.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:05 pm

Burillo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:33 pm i think ADM is sample-based.

Not exactly. It reads samples, yes, but it uses also a modeled synthesis. It is a mix between both.

And it also reads the sysex files.

https://www.audiorealism.se/audiorealis ... chine.html

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:10 pm

Burillo wrote: i think ADM is sample-based.

Its not.

You can use it to play samples if you want to, but thats just an extra, i.e. additional to the instrument emulations.

(Each individual instrument (BD/SD/etc) has a 'Generators' and a 'Samples' section. Generators = Emulation, Samples = Audio Files.)

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:19 pm

i stand corrected so!

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:27 pm

Myself I simply use BD-808 Pro ($10, below the freeware version in the webpage)... and BD-909 (totally freeware, donation only if you want starting from €3). No samples at all and a rather good quality, largely enough in a hobby song (I don't know for a professional song).

Both from Synsonic.

I use also sometimes the Drum Bundle from Superwave (£9.99) which contains a 909, an 808, and a Korg Tiny Pops (it contains also all the most famous Jarre's rhythms in MIDI files, but it's simply for the fun the most important being the quality of the sounds).

Best Software emulation of the Roland TR-808 Rhythm Composer?