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Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:36 pm

Will there be a space for all these new 3rd party Dune 2 skins on synapse website?

fluffy_little_something · Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:12 pm

It is not easy to make punchy sounds on Dune 2 because of the very non-linear envelopes. Especially when osc reset is turned off, sounds tend to start either with an unpleasant click (which unlike with other synths is not even consistent, nor does it sound like a click, more like a drop, particularly when using pulse wave) or in a fuzzy way, there doesn't seem to be an attack time where neither applies.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:15 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:It is not easy to make punchy sounds on Dune 2 because of the very non-linear envelopes. Especially when osc reset is turned off, sounds tend to start either with an unpleasant click (which unlike with other synths is not even consistent, nor does it sound like a click, more like a drop, particularly when using pulse wave) or in a fuzzy way, there doesn't seem to be an attack time where neither applies.

Try to make a short spike in a MSEG and assign it to main voulme/filter cutoff via matrix.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:22 pm

Oops, deleted, no idea where that came from

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:22 pm

Hi Fluffy,
at audiorates, you can do what you want with the MSEGs, it's sample base i think

fluffy_little_something · Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:38 pm

So I will try that MSEG business tomorrow since you all recommend it

It's strange, though. I have other synths with exponential envelopes and never had such problems with them, although pulse seems to be more vulnerable to those unpleasant blip sounds even on my other synths.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:59 pm

Indeed, Dune2 may be not the best synth for making punchy stuff, there is something a little fluffy (sorry) about its sound. But if you need pronounced fast attack, MSEG is a way to go.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:03 pm

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:08 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:It is not easy to make punchy sounds on Dune 2 because of the very non-linear envelopes.

Hm, unless i'm totally confused, actually it should be the other way around. Linear envelopes are not very punchy, while exponential envelopes are pretty punchy. Didn't find Dune 2's standard filter envelope to be exactly punchy too though. I never tried the MSEG though.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:21 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:It is not easy to make punchy sounds on Dune 2 because of the very non-linear envelopes. Especially when osc reset is turned off, sounds tend to start either with an unpleasant click (which unlike with other synths is not even consistent, nor does it sound like a click, more like a drop, particularly when using pulse wave) or in a fuzzy way, there doesn't seem to be an attack time where neither applies.

Same thoughts. Envelopes attack start at 45%, below that point it's clicking :/ May be weird time scale, not sure. If envelopes displayed time in miliseconds, this would make it clear at least.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:31 pm

Kriminal wrote:I deleted Kriminal's quote on his request...

But at least you seem to agree there is something odd about the envelopes. Dune 2 sounds very good on pads and such "soft" sounds, but from such an expensive synth I expect bread and butter capabilities so that I can use it for everything and get best results. Then again, maybe Dune 2 is simply not meant for that, who knows

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:58 pm

when i try to make a punchy kick in Dune2, at audiorate with a MSEG, i don' have any problem
a simple sine with a MSEG/pitch and MSEG/amp.....

fluffy_little_something · Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:59 pm

chk071 wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:It is not easy to make punchy sounds on Dune 2 because of the very non-linear envelopes.
Hm, unless i'm totally confused, actually it should be the other way around. Linear envelopes are not very punchy, while exponential envelopes are pretty punchy. Didn't find Dune 2's standard filter envelope to be exactly punchy too though. I never tried the MSEG though.

Exactly, I like exponential, that's fine with me. But it should not go hand in hand with unpleasant noises. I have heard other synths with similar issues, but then again, they were cheap or even free

But I will try those MSEG's tomorrow, maybe they will do the trick

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:01 pm

For some pads and soft sound, classic env, for punch MSEG/filter and amp

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:11 pm

Finally got a tune completed with Dune 2.
Kudos to Richard on the truly brilliant synth!

Without a doubt, one of 2014 absolute BEST synths.

Forgive the ruff mix.
Dune 2 plus one Cello:

https://soundcloud.com/vintage-synth-pa ... 2-from-vsp

DUNE 2 is out now!!