KVR Audio

Greg Houston · Post by **Greg Houston** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:27 am

It's definitely not a wavetable synth, but looks like a lot of fun. I'd love to see some spectral goodies in a Serum 2.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:50 am

Codex was a fantastic sounding synth, but sadly, even on my uber computer, it ate a lot of resources so I ended up selling it for about what it cost me. Element doesn't use the same resources. But it sounded terrific!

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:11 pm

kiezum wrote:Massive is still a wonderful synth. I'm always amazed how beautiful it sounds. But compared to Serum it sounds vintage.

It's funny, I found myself thinking the same thing. When Massive came out, at the time it definitely sounded more clear and hi-fi compared to older wave scanning synths like the PPG. Now comparing Serum to Massive is like comparing Massive to a PPG in terms of oscillator purity...another step up the ladder. Both perfectly valid sounds for different things, of course - I still like Massive quite a bit and Serum can't entirely replace what it does (even with Massive wavetables loaded into it).

systmu · Post by **systmu** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:24 pm

discoDSP wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:What about the sound quality?
I'm also interested on this. Let's not forget that wavetable also needs a good interpolation or it can sound really bad, pretty much like a sampler, like http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/aliasing/

What does this mean? That link is down. Thanks.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:38 pm

Codex is on sale for $29 right now. http://www.waves.com/plugins/codex#code ... h-tutorial
Worth it? (I have Serum)
Thanks in advance for replies.

Kumi_27 · Post by **Kumi_27** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:45 pm

~22$ if You do a little research

For me it's worth, but I don't have Serum.

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:54 pm

Wonder if this big price drop was in response to the Serum update - seems quite a coincidence ...

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:01 pm

Kumi_27 wrote:~22$ if You do a little research
For me it's worth, but I don't have Serum.

Found it! Thanks Kumi!

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:01 pm

mcbpete wrote:Wonder if this big price drop was in response to the Serum update - seems quite a coincidence ...

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well!

cron · Post by **cron** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:30 pm

Vectorman wrote:I still like Massive quite a bit and Serum can't entirely replace what it does (even with Massive wavetables loaded into it).

Bit of a necro replying to this, but I really miss having 2 parallel filters when using Serum. Not quite enough to get back with my ex so I can use Massive again, but I do feel the loss.

One of my favourite tricks in Massive was to attach osc A to filter A (low pass) and osc B to filter B (high pass), both filters at the same cutoff frequency which are then swept up and down as one. The net effect was kinda like having a single sweeping 'central' frequency, with one waveform below and a different waveform above it. Unbelievably juicy wobbles (I know, I know... it was 2010) abound, especially when you used a simple analogish wave for the bottom end and a more complex modulated wavetable for the top end. Kinda sounds like an 'impossible' low pass in practice.

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:51 pm

I have found that in the three-way race that happened back then between the ol' steady Massive, the new upstart host shot Serum, and the quirky and now ridiculously cheap Codex, In the long run, Codex was the only one I could do without.
Codex is fun. Its simpler and sounds good, and is worth well more than $25. But as old as Massive is, and without being able to load a ffffing thing, it still has a solid spot in the roster, imo.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:46 am

And then there's SynthMaster.

musiclover55547 · Post by **musiclover55547** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:27 am

mcbpete wrote:Wonder if this big price drop was in response to the Serum update - seems quite a coincidence ...

I hardly think Xfer is even keeping track of Codex. It is just not competing WT synthesizers; Serum blows Waves' half baked monster out of the water, though I don't believe I'm stating a sentiment that's probably not been thought by just about everyone who knows what the two are.

musiclover55547 · Post by **musiclover55547** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:30 am

double post

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:35 am

musiclover55547 wrote:
mcbpete wrote:Wonder if this big price drop was in response to the Serum update - seems quite a coincidence ...
I hardly think Xfer is even keeping track of Codex. It is just not competing WT synthesizers; Serum blows Waves' half baked monster out of the water, though I don't believe I'm stating a sentiment that's probably not been thought by just about everyone who knows what the two are.

I actually meant the other way round - as in Waves going .... oh god the best WT synth out there has had even more good stuff added to it what the hell are we gonna do with our thing: quick, slash the price!

Codex vs Serum