KVR Audio

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:23 pm

is it just me, but my fave goto preset is init

it's the finest saw i've heard. tingles.

(spire gets more laughable every day - gawd that sounds so mean)

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:04 pm

kevvvvv wrote:is it just me, but my fave goto preset is init

it's the finest saw i've heard. tingles.

You know, I think it's just the effects. Turn off the reverb and delay, and it's a humble saw. Nexus does the same trick - the perfect effects for EDM. I nearly always turn them off as a first action if I'm creating anything other than EDM...

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:32 am

I hoped Manuel could tell me a bit about his best practices regarding sampling.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:50 am

what answer do you expect? We multisample and loop manually. I never used and never will use a automatic software / robot for this, because I do not think a machine can do this as good as a human.
- we do not support SFZ
- if you want to sample raw waveforms, it should be enough to sample 1 complete cycle of this waveform on a very low octave and import it as "shape". Advantages: you can mange it / aliasfree

goleat · Post by **goleat** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:17 pm

First of all, I would like to congratulate the Vengeance team, as this is the first time I have paid more than $100 for a synthesizer and I have not been disappointed. Still, I'd like to see this series of improvements in Avenger.

Features request:

Sampler:

- Ability to modulate the start and end loop.
- Ability to activate loop mode in previously imported samples.
- Add sample envelope (as in the other synthesis modes).

Granular synthesis:

- Add wet/dry knob.
- Granular stacker

Waveable synthesis:

- Wavetable stacker

Filters:

- Parallel mode filter.
- Make the comb filter more aggressive (take Arcsyn, Massive, Serum and Spire as a reference)

Other features:

- Ability to modulate one oscillator with another, as in Serum. Here are two possibilities: using the stacker or adding
another oscillator tab (or both modes).
- Ability to divide keyboard zones even in stacker mode. This means that if 4 samples are added to a single oscillator, they
can be divided into 4 zones on the keyboard.
- Ability to modulate delay time (effect)
- Ability to combine different synthesis modes in a single oscillator (stacker mode).
- Ability to select the synthesis mode of an audio sample from a contextual menu by right-clicking on the sample.

I think that's all. Congratulations to Rene and Manuel for this excellent work.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:13 pm

goleat wrote:
Granular synthesis:

- Add wet/dry knob.

It's not an effect which you blend in, it's a synthesis form -> granular synthesis, not granular processing.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:30 pm

One thing I don´t get in Avenger...:

If I save a preset with "save as...", the browser jumps to the place where I saved it...

Tbh, I cannot imagine a single reason what one could benefit from this behaviour...

I mean there are several situations for saving a preset, i.e. you adjusted a preset to your liking and want to save it i.e. in a user expansion... why should I now get this user expansion folder listed in the browser... the adjusted preset is already loaded...
Or I browse i.e. the factory library and save the presets I like into my "Best of" expansion... after saving a preset, I want to browse the factory library further ... but no, I have to navigate again to the place the browser kicked me off...

Am I doing something wrong... are there settings to change this behaviour???

godly · Post by **godly** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:50 pm

goleat wrote: Features request:

Sampler:
- Ability to modulate the start and end loop.
- Ability to activate loop mode in previously imported samples.
- Add sample envelope (as in the other synthesis modes).

+1 !
Agree, the sample editing function should be a bit better than it now is. It's pretty basic now.
And yes, another sfz demand

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:19 pm

godly wrote:
goleat wrote: Features request:

Sampler:
- Ability to modulate the start and end loop.
- Ability to activate loop mode in previously imported samples.
- Add sample envelope (as in the other synthesis modes).
+1 !
Agree, the sample editing function should be a bit better than it now is. It's pretty basic now.
And yes, another sfz demand

++1 @sampler/loop functions!

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:06 pm

A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

I love how Simon very rarely ask for things and just get the things done (and amazing things) with what he has in hands. Bugs and issues, of course. But man people never get happy with what they have and tend to believe that new features added all the time will magically turn them into music makers.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:14 pm

Neon Breath wrote:A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

I love how Simon very rarely ask for things and just get the things done (and amazing things) with what he has in hands. Bugs and issues, of course. But man people never get happy with what they have and tend to believe that new features added all the time will magically turn them into music makers.

sure good point, but the sampler is really not good with functions.... a simple loop, reverse should be there

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Neon Breath wrote:A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

Why would one assume that a person is a poor craftsman or blaming his tools, just because more features are requested in said tool to make it cooler? Can't a feature request just be a feature request?

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:50 pm

++1 @sampler/loop functions!

as stated earlier in this thread. Avenger is not meant to be a sampler. Its a synthesizer where the OSC *can be a sample. This is very well possible, even stack-able to 4 per osc.
It can't and won't replace Kontakt as a sampler/librarian with its key/velozone/loop options etc... It furthermore does not replace a sample editor like Wavelab etc...
this was not the goal behind Avenger and would require a more complex GUI / subpages. We dont like this idea.
Its a feature packed synthesizer. Not a big sampler, not an sample-editor, not a sequencer/DAW.

a simple loop, reverse should be there

there actually is a loop editor for single samples already. If you plan to loop multisamples I strongly reccomend using a sample editor (wavelab) for this and add the loop points directly in the according wav file.

goleat · Post by **goleat** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:39 pm

godly wrote: +1 !
Agree, the sample editing function should be a bit better than it now is. It's pretty basic now.
And yes, another sfz demand

I don't care if they add. sfz compatibility (it's a feature I would never use in a synthesizer), I use Kontakt for that. The only thing I would like to see in Avenger is at least the sample envelope (as can be seen in the other modes of synthesis), and I insist, a more aggressive comb filter.

The rest is debatable (for me), I just want to contribute ideas, nothing more. I'm sorry if I offended someone (as I could see in a previous commentary), but it doesn't seem right to qualify a person, just for a feature request.

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:10 am

They stated a couple of times that they will never add sfz compatibility.

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