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psmacmur
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373 posts since 29 Jul, 2013, from Toronto

Postby psmacmur; Sun May 14, 2017 7:34 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Yup. Makes you sound like Martin Gore. :hihi:
] Peter:H [
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Postby ] Peter:H [; Sun May 14, 2017 9:28 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Carl_saved wrote:Has anyone got an idea what the "DM" parameter does? :?:

It says "The modulator wave is rectified to half wave", http://www.smspower.org/uploads/Development/chipsym2413am.pdf, page 15 (of PDF not page numbers on pages)
rghvdberg
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Postby rghvdberg; Sun May 14, 2017 9:35 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Carl_saved wrote:Has anyone got an idea what the "DM" parameter does? :?:

According to this : http://www.smspower.org/uploads/Develop ... 2413am.pdf
screenshot-www.smspower.org-2017-05-14-19-30-09.png


well that explains all ... :ud:
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Carl_saved
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Postby Carl_saved; Sun May 14, 2017 9:55 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Alright. Thanks a lot :)
doctorbob
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Postby doctorbob; Sun May 14, 2017 10:20 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

rghvdberg wrote:
Carl_saved wrote:Has anyone got an idea what the "DM" parameter does? :?:

According to this : http://www.smspower.org/uploads/Develop ... 2413am.pdf
screenshot-www.smspower.org-2017-05-14-19-30-09.png


well that explains all ... :ud:

If you use a half rectified wave feature then you can end up with an all positive going final waveform, which can sound really good!

Here's snippet of one of my guitar waveforms ...

Image

dB
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TrojakEW
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99 posts since 20 Mar, 2012, from Slovakia

Postby TrojakEW; Sun May 14, 2017 10:36 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Synth is limited but nice. Another interesting (s)round. Here is my short entry so u dont need waste too much time listening :lol: .

FL Studio 12.3
12 instances of VST2413s (s means all presets from scratch :D )
DAW FX's:
1x Fruity Limiter
1x Fruity Soft Clipper
1x Fruity Stereo Enhancer
4x Fruity Reeverb
2x Maximus
Other FX's:
5x Amplio 2

https://soundcloud.com/trojakew/wasteland
rghvdberg
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Postby rghvdberg; Sun May 14, 2017 1:12 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

doctorbob wrote:If you use a half rectified wave feature then you can end up with an all positive going final waveform, which can sound really good!

Here's snippet of one of my guitar waveforms ...

Image

dB


Ah! Well that does explain all!

Thanks a lot DoctorBob!

btw , I was a nurse in the navy .. NurseRob
] Peter:H [
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Postby ] Peter:H [; Tue May 16, 2017 11:43 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

A couple of microseconds after the door was slamed shut the black hole on the other side of the door swallowed up everything that was left behind...be carefull! Don't open the door again!

To prevent the black hole from getting bigger please play this track with your sub woofer switched on and please place your feet on top of it. And please - for your sound paintings and all those little tiny bushes in the background use some titanium blue!

https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/peterh-osc99-a-couple-of-microseconds-after-the-door-was-slamed-shut

DAW Cubase for Editing, Mixing, Chord Progressions created with http://feelyoursound.com/sundog/
] Synths [
[ vst2413s ] ~ IIIIIIIIIII
[ vst2413s ] ~ I
[ vst2413p ] ~ II

] FX [
[ Cubase Frequency EQ ] ~ IIIIIIIII
[ Cubase Stereo Enhancer ] ~ III
[ Cubase Limiter ] ~ II
[ Cubase MultibandEnvelopeShaper ] ~ II
[ Cubase Compressor ] ~ II
[ Cubase Stereo Delay ] ~ III
[ Cubase Distortion ] ~ II
[ Cubase AutoPan ] ~ I
[ Cubase Revelation ] ~ II
[ Cubase Gate ] ~ I
[ Cubase Maximizer ] ~ I
[ Melda MTermolo ] ~ IIII
[ Melda MAutoPan ] ~ III

Update: Uploaded Version without Chorus
Last edited by ] Peter:H [ on Thu May 18, 2017 8:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
asi4
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58 posts since 22 Mar, 2016

Postby asi4; Tue May 16, 2017 12:52 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

] Peter:H [ wrote:[ Cubase Chorus ] ~ I


Chorus is not allowed
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Medniex
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19 posts since 16 Apr, 2017, from Rīga

Postby Medniex; Tue May 16, 2017 1:45 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

asi4 wrote:
] Peter:H [ wrote:[ Cubase Chorus ] ~ I


Chorus is not allowed


I think the same with distortion. At least this is how I understood the rules. :?
KO :ud:
bjporter
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Postby bjporter; Tue May 16, 2017 1:55 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Medniex wrote:I think the same with distortion. At least this is how I understood the rules. :?


Distortion is ok, if used sparingly, unless it's built into the synth, then you can go all the way to 11
generaldiomedes
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Postby generaldiomedes; Tue May 16, 2017 2:33 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

Medniex wrote:
asi4 wrote:
] Peter:H [ wrote:[ Cubase Chorus ] ~ I


Chorus is not allowed


I think the same with distortion. At least this is how I understood the rules. :?


Same here .. otherwise I would definitely be using that and some saturation. I almost think an explicit list of effects would be nice, instead of just etc. in the rules.
bjporter
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2494 posts since 18 Dec, 2010, from North America

Postby bjporter; Tue May 16, 2017 3:00 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

I tried clarifying the rules, https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/rules

Let me know if that seems better
asi4
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58 posts since 22 Mar, 2016

Postby asi4; Tue May 16, 2017 11:24 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

bjporter wrote:I tried clarifying the rules, https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/rules

Let me know if that seems better


Seems like now i need to mix my track again without satruation... :?
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psmacmur
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373 posts since 29 Jul, 2013, from Toronto

Postby psmacmur; Wed May 17, 2017 5:24 am Re: One Synth Challenge #99: vst2413 by Keijiro Takahashi

I use saturation (Saturation Knob) pretty much every OSC and have yet to be DQ'd. The trick is to keep it transparent: increasing loudness, clarity, and maybe warmth, but keeping the character of the dry synth sound. My rule of thumb is that, at least with Saturation Knob, if the clip light is flickering on, even a little, it's too much.

Think of the spirit of the rule: represent the sound of the synth. Distortion can turn any oscillator's input into a square wave. That makes your sound's contribution ratio 0:100 (synth:fx). Don't do that. But 85:15 is probably cool (although typically that 15% would be the sum contribution of all insert fx: compression, saturation, EQ, reverb, etc.). At least, that's my approach.

Another example is bitcrushers. Used blatantly, they create a distinct bitcrushed sound that is also 0% synth, 100% fx. Surprisingly, ppl have got away with that in OSC, when it fits the genre. So, you're probably safe anyway. Used sparingly though, bitcrusher can supposedly enhance cymbals etc. without masking the synth's character, which is why it isn't banned outright.

Another approach I take, to avoid DQ when I want to use actual distortion (beyond saturation), is to put the distortion effect on a Send channel and keep it's mix at least 6dbfs. This works well for me, but wouldn't suit every genre.

Frankly, with the regularity these discussions come up, I think the "don't go to 11" rule should be dropped: distortion is just plain allowed. I would vote down any track that turns it up to 11 anyway, because it'll sound so awful.
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