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Vortifex
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Postby Vortifex; Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:44 am Anyone else use Phonec 2?

I need someone to write an idiot's guide to preset saving/management because the way this thing handles presets pisses me off. I just overwrote another good preset because of this dumb system.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't just tweak a preset and 'save as' without overwriting the original when you save the bank unless you copy/paste the original into a new slot before tweaking it.

And you can't just save the new preset into a bank without having to manually type the name of the bank you want to save it into.

Before someone asks me to RTFM, it doesn't actually explain anything.
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Postby dark water; Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:43 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

Hi Vortifex,

I've just read your post and opened up an factory bank preset ''Creeper'', made minor adjustments as a test for this thread, and then saved it as a completely different named preset in my documents folder (where my Phonec 2 bank is saved).
I had to close down Phonec 2 for 2 seconds in Ableton 8 and then reload it. Doing this resulted in me being able to both load the original ''Creeper'' patch from the factory soundbank, and then when I pressed the 'L' button for load, it found my new preset saved in my documents folder.

In terms of loading or saving banks, I could do that freely by loading from /saving to the 'Banks' folder in my Phonec 2 documents folder.


It sounds to me like you have an issue with your indexing / locations, as I could not replicate your fault and indeed Phonec 2 had no save/load/rewrite problems for me.
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Postby Vortifex; Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:11 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

Thanks for your reply. Can you detail the exact steps you take? I can't see a way to save a tweaked preset without overwriting the original.

1) Load preset, tweak it
2) Copy, paste into new preset slot, rename preset
3) Click 'save sound bank'
4) Type in the name of the bank I want it saved in
5) Now the original preset is overwritten and I also have my new preset

??
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Postby dark water; Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:42 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

Hi,
I think your step 2 is the problem.

I do this:

1) First, I make a copy of the Factory bank by pressing the 'S' bank button and naming it something like ''dark water bank'' (so I don't overwrite the original bank).

2) Second, I close Phonec 2 for a couple of seconds and then re-open it (mine defaults to the original factory bank) and load up my new ''dark water bank'' by pressing the 'L' bank button.

3) Then I tweak a sound patch within this new bank and, when I am happy, I right click with my mouse on the patch name (which is currently identical to the factory sound bank names) in the name area down the bottom right of the GUI. I type in a new name. I then press the 'S' bank button (not 'S' patch button) as I am wishing to save/update the bank, rather than just create a one-off patch.

4) I then either continue to repeat step 3 if I wish to tweak some new (different) patches, or I close Phonec 2.

5) When I open up Phonec 2 again, mine defaults to the original factory bank. Therefore, I press the 'L' bank button, find my bank and open it. It comes up with my bank and any new names I have done.

6) Please see this pic for confirmation. I changed the first and eighth patches of 'dark water bank' (which was a copy of the factory bank names). These first and eighth patches were named 'PHONEC' and 'Local Radar', so for simplicity I saved them as 'Not Phonec' and 'Not Local Radar' as you can see from this pic:

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Lastly, I know that the ability to save/load Phonec 2 presets can not be broken, as I bought a Phonec 2 soundbank from The Unfinished recently, all of which works well:
http://www.theunfinished.co.uk/shop/pho ... hor-vol-1/

Cheers, and good luck!
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Postby Vortifex; Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:40 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

dark water wrote:3) Then I tweak a sound patch within this new bank and, when I am happy, I right click with my mouse on the patch name (which is currently identical to the factory sound bank names) in the name area down the bottom right of the GUI. I type in a new name. I then press the 'S' bank button (not 'S' patch button) as I am wishing to save/update the bank, rather than just create a one-off patch.


But what you are describing here is exactly what I don't want to happen: you are overwriting the original patch.

What I want to know is, how do I tweak a patch and 'save as' in the same bank without overwriting the original?

If I have to copy the bank every time so as not to alter the one I'm tweaking I'll end up with infinite banks.
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Postby dark water; Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:50 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

Take a patch.
Tweak it.
Press 'copy'.
Open up the patch browser.
Choose a different patch in that limited 128 patch soundbank which you don't mind overwriting.
Press 'paste'.
Save the name as something different.
Just like this (note 'Not Phonec' and 'Not Phonec 2'):

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There is nothing wrong with Phonec 2's system of saving / loading.

Good luck.
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Postby Vortifex; Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:58 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

dark water wrote:Take a patch.
Tweak it.
Press 'copy'.
Open up the patch browser.
Choose a different patch in that limited 128 patch soundbank which you don't mind overwriting.
Press 'paste'.
Save the name as something different.

There is nothing wrong with Phonec 2's system of saving / loading.

Good luck.


Those are the steps I outlined in post #3. How do you save the bank without saving the changes on the original patch?

For example, in Diva all I have to do is select the bank I want to save in, click Save, name my preset and boom it's done, original preset intact.
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Postby omac; Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:57 pm Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

EDIT: I'm confused with this request and am bowing out.
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Postby Vortifex; Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:48 am Re: Anyone else use Phonec 2?

omac wrote:EDIT: I'm confused with this request and am bowing out.


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