Dear Steinberg.........
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- KVRist
- 52 posts since 15 Jan, 2005 from Chicago, IL US
Dongles sucking donkey azz is the main reason why i will stay from Steinberg. This is a bad route to handle the security issue with software.
Please dont bite me.
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- KVRAF
- 7400 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Yea, it's bad for the user, but not bad for them, because so far, it works. So don't plan on them stopping the dongle protection anytime soon.
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- KVRAF
- 5113 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Philadelphia, USA
Totally doesn't work dude. EVERY Dongle protected piece of software has been cracked and distributed like wildfire....as well as things that use PACE....and every other copy protection scheme. It's ashame, yes...but i think that copy protection should be used to monitor your customer base and identify the legitimate from the non. This, couple with outstanding user support (ok, steinberg hasn't always been great at that..but..) for registered users and you've got the only formula out there that's bound to make somebody use a legit version over a cracked one.djanthonyw wrote:Yea, it's bad for the user, but not bad for them, because so far, it works. So don't plan on them stopping the dongle protection anytime soon.
It's all a shame....but it's never gonna stop.
Dongles are a bit of a pain...but there's not much you can do. it's really up to the developer.
peace!
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- KVRist
- 232 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from Norway
Everything I have learned in the marketing courses I'm currently studying, tells me that forcing a dongle on legitimate users to protect the company from illegitimate users is just plain wrong.
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 12 Mar, 2004
PowerrBooks have only 2 USB ports.
You can imagine one of them stucked forever with stenberg or any other useless dongle and the other connecting the midi keyboard. And it's done!
You won't be able to connect anything else ever!
Great!
So I will buy the software, OK, and I will use the cracked version, anyway I paid for the software, so they could do whatever they want with this shit!
Do like me. Then maybe, they will start to think, man they buy the software but are using the crack 
You can imagine one of them stucked forever with stenberg or any other useless dongle and the other connecting the midi keyboard. And it's done!
You won't be able to connect anything else ever!
Great!
So I will buy the software, OK, and I will use the cracked version, anyway I paid for the software, so they could do whatever they want with this shit!
Do like me. Then maybe, they will start to think, man they buy the software but are using the crack -
- KVRAF
- 3496 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
^ Words of wisdom ^tumburu wrote:So I will buy the software, OK, and I will use the cracked version, anyway I paid for the software, so they could do whatever they want with this shit!
Amen
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Ay caramba !
Ay caramba !
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- KVRist
- 494 posts since 2 Oct, 2004 from Northern Europe
I don't think we should discuss whethere the dongle prevents people from pirating: I couldn't care less.
I don't care for their attitute: I pump money in their pocket, but I have rarely had that "valued customer" feeling, I rather feel they're saying: "give me da money", with a distant look on their ugly faces.
The damned thing shouldn't be there, period.
I am going to mail Steinberg, letting them know that I have just made up my mind not to get Groove Agent, and I'll gladly give Kontakt or Gigastudio a spin, it may be that I can stay clean of a Halion dongle.
I don't care for their attitute: I pump money in their pocket, but I have rarely had that "valued customer" feeling, I rather feel they're saying: "give me da money", with a distant look on their ugly faces.
The damned thing shouldn't be there, period.
I am going to mail Steinberg, letting them know that I have just made up my mind not to get Groove Agent, and I'll gladly give Kontakt or Gigastudio a spin, it may be that I can stay clean of a Halion dongle.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Yeah it's like making someone check their bag when they go into a store. It pisses me off, and I am sure never to come back.Breakpete wrote:Everything I have learned in the marketing courses I'm currently studying, tells me that forcing a dongle on legitimate users to protect the company from illegitimate users is just plain wrong.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Nice thread
It seems to me that laptop users are less likely to want dongles...
1) When I was based on a desktop and the dongle was plugged in once around the back it don't exactly bother me.
2) Now I'm on a laptop I don't have enough ports for dongles, and the more I go down the route of using hubs/etc, the less mobile I become.
3) Dongles sticking out of laptops/hubs are vulnerable to breakage/loss/theft. I am a teacher and know of schools who have had some real difficulties getting replacements/sympathy/understanding/common sense out or Arbiter/Steinberg on this matter. In fact, I know legitimate users who have been virtually accused of dishonesty, which is an outrageous approach to customer support.
4) Even if a replacement is provided (and there's no guarantee of that, whatever they claim up front ) it can take several days to arrive at best. In the meantime you're stuffed.
5) This was one reason I abandoned Cubase and moved over to Tracktion when I bought my laptop 2 years ago. There were other reasons too
6) Laptops are here to stay. I suspect that - by deduction - dongles won't remain acceptable practice in this changing market.
7) I have passed on my thoughts about this to schools and students, and expect that there is a generation of musicians who will not naturally be looking at using Cubase.
8 ) I do know a local musician who claims to have a cracked version of Cubase SX3, so I would question the notion that dongles "work".
It seems to me that laptop users are less likely to want dongles...
1) When I was based on a desktop and the dongle was plugged in once around the back it don't exactly bother me.
2) Now I'm on a laptop I don't have enough ports for dongles, and the more I go down the route of using hubs/etc, the less mobile I become.
3) Dongles sticking out of laptops/hubs are vulnerable to breakage/loss/theft. I am a teacher and know of schools who have had some real difficulties getting replacements/sympathy/understanding/common sense out or Arbiter/Steinberg on this matter. In fact, I know legitimate users who have been virtually accused of dishonesty, which is an outrageous approach to customer support.
4) Even if a replacement is provided (and there's no guarantee of that, whatever they claim up front
) it can take several days to arrive at best. In the meantime you're stuffed.5) This was one reason I abandoned Cubase and moved over to Tracktion when I bought my laptop 2 years ago. There were other reasons too
6) Laptops are here to stay. I suspect that - by deduction - dongles won't remain acceptable practice in this changing market.
7) I have passed on my thoughts about this to schools and students, and expect that there is a generation of musicians who will not naturally be looking at using Cubase.
8 ) I do know a local musician who claims to have a cracked version of Cubase SX3, so I would question the notion that dongles "work".
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- KVRAF
- 2584 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here
[quote="TotcProductionsTotally doesn't work dude. EVERY Dongle protected piece of software has been cracked and distributed like wildfire....as well as things that use PACE....and every other copy protection scheme. [/quote]
just had to correct the factual innacuracy here
all the following software is not cracked -
the latest cubase, nuendo, hypersonic, halion, logic and all the yellow tools stuff - all the cubase cracks either are fake or crash all over the place
the link is thay all use dongles - some of them have been out for over a year and the crackers can't do it
dongles appear to be working now
and the support for cubase is gettiong better all the time - something to do with forums not flooded with crack users I suspect
you can get internal usb hubs for desktops - I would have thought buying a £30 hub to protect a £600 dongle would make sense but i totally agree that something may have to be done for laptop users -
gawd knows what tho
PS are laptops really portable - last time i looked if you ran a laptop and a pro-ish audio interface off the battery you would get an hour and a half or so - all a bit chocolate tea pot if you ask me
just had to correct the factual innacuracy here
all the following software is not cracked -
the latest cubase, nuendo, hypersonic, halion, logic and all the yellow tools stuff - all the cubase cracks either are fake or crash all over the place
the link is thay all use dongles - some of them have been out for over a year and the crackers can't do it
dongles appear to be working now
and the support for cubase is gettiong better all the time - something to do with forums not flooded with crack users I suspect
you can get internal usb hubs for desktops - I would have thought buying a £30 hub to protect a £600 dongle would make sense but i totally agree that something may have to be done for laptop users -
gawd knows what tho
PS are laptops really portable - last time i looked if you ran a laptop and a pro-ish audio interface off the battery you would get an hour and a half or so - all a bit chocolate tea pot if you ask me
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- KVRist
- 377 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from Antwerp
Don't get me wrong here...I too hate dongles, but if you see that your software (SQ4²) has been cracked the same day that it was released, tell me, what's the alternative?
Thoose bastards link to my demo version and then release a patch. (and Hosting does cost me money as well )
Thoose bastards link to my demo version and then release a patch. (and Hosting does cost me money as well
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- KVRist
- 199 posts since 19 Oct, 2004 from Germany
for real???ericj23 wrote:...
all the following software is not cracked -
the latest cubase, nuendo, hypersonic, halion, logic and all the yellow tools stuff - all the cubase cracks either are fake or crash all over the place
...
erm..
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Yes laptops are portableericj23 wrote: PS are laptops really portable - last time i looked if you ran a laptop and a pro-ish audio interface off the battery you would get an hour and a half or so - all a bit chocolate tea pot if you ask me
Running on batteries alone you need a USB interface (laptops come with 4-pin firewire ports which don't offer bus power to a firewire device). You are about right that a P4 gives about 90 minutes battery time with this setup.
I recommend going for a Centrino chip... this will run cooler, reducing fan noise considerably, and has a battery life of 3 hours +
Depending on where you are setting up of courfse, you can use a power pack anyway...
Because we deliver our Music Tech courses in a number of locations we use laptops for portability, but we use power packs when we set up in a school location, not batteries.
Dongles in this context are a definite nonono!
Software we use at present: Tracktion, Reason, Audition, Live, Sibelius.
