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V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:50 am

Ok I've listened to the demos again this time after a good nights sleep and all and i think it sounds like errr it's kind of aliasing a lot.

Sure it's novel how small it is, but that kind of detracts from the joys of a synthesizer. Where are all the knobs? x_X

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:53 am

There are knob versions-bigger, obviously, and more costly.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:02 am

RunBeerRun wrote:There are knob versions-bigger, obviously, and more costly.

I read that you can hook it up to a midi controller and assign the knobs on that, but eh the sound would still just be the deal breaker with me when there are better sounding soft synths that I can buy which are cheaper and just as portable on my laptop.

janostman · Post by **janostman** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:03 am

It's true that it has no anti-alising.
But the JP-8000 also lacks anti-alising.

The alising in higher notes are part of the synths sound character.

The LPF takes care of anti-alising the sound.
So it's mostly heard when the filter is fully open with no resonance.

janostman · Post by **janostman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:53 am

V0RT3X wrote:Ok I've listened to the demos again this time after a good nights sleep and all and i think it sounds like errr it's kind of aliasing a lot.

Sure it's novel how small it is, but that kind of detracts from the joys of a synthesizer. Where are all the knobs? x_X

I would say you have no idea.
This is one of the best sounding analog modeling synths you ever heard?

It really has that Juno sound you want.

I just love it.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:25 am

janostman wrote:It's true that it has no anti-alising.
But the JP-8000 also lacks anti-alising.

JP-8000 has a sampling rate that's many times higher than your synth's DAC which has a very low sampling frequency (8kHz), and it doesn't use a wave table which controls a very low accuracy oscillator.

The alising in higher notes are part of the synths sound character.

It's extremely noticeable in any note range, not just high notes and not just with minimal filtering.

Your synth's sound doesn't even remotely resemble the sound of any Roland Juno synth, for many reasons. Why do you insist on claiming that it does, when even any clueless person can easily realize it by listening? You know what? Why even discuss "technical" differences? For example, this type of synth's character is greatly defined by its filter, so how in the world does your tiny 3-pole filter code (Juno, 3-pole?) "model" a Juno's (or any synth's) filter?

What's going on in here? Seriously, it's just annoying to see you frequently claim that your extremely low quality synth (and you know what? some may actually like that and have a real, good use for it) seriously resembles high quality synths. I really am sorry for the harsh post, but this just makes no sense. Sell a tiny synth, make money, enjoy, but enough with the nonsense.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:43 am

Shy wrote:
janostman wrote:It's true that it has no anti-alising.
But the JP-8000 also lacks anti-alising.
JP-8000 has a sampling rate that's many times higher than your synth's DAC which has a very low sampling frequency (8kHz), and it doesn't use a wave table which controls a very low accuracy oscillator.

The alising in higher notes are part of the synths sound character.
It's extremely noticeable in any note range, not just high notes and not just with minimal filtering.

Your synth's sound doesn't even remotely resemble the sound of any Roland Juno synth, for many reasons. Why do you insist on claiming that it does, when even any clueless person can easily realize it by listening? You know what? Why even discuss "technical" differences? For example, this type of synth's character is greatly defined by its filter, so how in the world does your tiny 3-pole filter code (Juno, 3-pole?) "model" a Juno's (or any synth's) filter?

What's going on in here? Seriously, it's just annoying to see you frequently claim that your extremely low quality synth (and you know what? some may actually like that and have a real, good use for it) seriously resembles high quality synths. I really am sorry for the harsh post, but this just makes no sense. Sell a tiny synth, make money, enjoy, but enough with the nonsense.

+1

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:40 am

janostman wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:Ok I've listened to the demos again this time after a good nights sleep and all and i think it sounds like errr it's kind of aliasing a lot.

Sure it's novel how small it is, but that kind of detracts from the joys of a synthesizer. Where are all the knobs? x_X
I would say you have no idea.
This is one of the best sounding analog modeling synths you ever heard?

It really has that Juno sound you want.

I just love it.

I wish you luck man, and I've been following your project, but, it does not have "that Juno sound" and you're kind of barking up the wrong tree here on KVR where a lot of us own Juno synths and are familiar with them technically.

This has "that Juno sound."

Also you should record the sound of the synth directly from the output. Whatever microphone you are using is extremely noisy and the sound of you striking the keyboard and your breathing are distracting.

janostman · Post by **janostman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:16 pm

The dsp-G1 has a samplingrate of 44.1KHz.
NOT 8000Hz.

And I took it a step further.

I put a complete Emulator III synth inside the plug.
And added flash based sample storage of about 11 minutes at 44.1KHz and 16-bits!

I even made it multitimbral with 8-voices.

Not difficult for a 20 year old synth and hardware from 2014.

http://igg.me/at/dsp-w1

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:37 pm

This seems like a solution without a problem. Why would someone want this?

You've got some skills. Why not do some market research and figure out what people want to buy before building it? GearSlutz would be the right site to get product ideas.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:52 pm

I'll check out the new one, basically anything non mainstream is an eye catcher for me.

janostman · Post by **janostman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:31 pm

It's not a solution without a problem.
I think that people want this.

I like synths with lots of knobs.
Hands on. But it turned out that people like it small?

What do you think they want?

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:24 pm

janostman wrote:What do you think they want?

For hardware synths, I think they want either real analog circuitry or, if it's digital, a good user interface including knobs and powerful synthesis capabilities.

This is a digital hardware synth with no user interface. So it seems to be a novelty rather than targeting any normal market.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:27 pm

Frantz wrote: So it seems to be a novelty rather than targeting any normal market.

He could sell it maybe on thinkgeek or something. It would be even better if he made it a open source kit that let users program stuff on it for DIY users.

janostman · Post by **janostman** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:00 pm

You don't get it, do you?

The entire synth is smaller than a dime.
There is no kit, put together 4 parts?

Great kit.
Heck, those I sold wont even need a circuit board.

Me to loves knobs and switches but what to do when people don't?

The smallest synthesizer in the world. Ever?