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MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:17 pm

That's just how it is folks. We cannot really send signal from one place to another, only the host can do that. If Live has only 12 buss limit, then I don't even know what to say... To be honest, considering this, then how the sidechains work (or more likely don't work ...) in there, I think Ableton has quite a work to do on that host... grr...

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:36 pm

RMS "set source" and "set target" = solved.

frizzbee · Post by **frizzbee** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:57 pm

common guys, it is never the fault of the plugin nor the developer! it's clearly a hosts or user problem

btw i don't know any host that could send a signal from in between the fx chain. but that's another story.
anyway, why don't you use the output gain of your effects? takes seconds and you don't have the problem with sending a signal or reaction times of MAGC. aren't you just too lazy at this point?

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:25 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:That's just how it is folks. We cannot really send signal from one place to another, only the host can do that. If Live has only 12 buss limit, then I don't even know what to say... To be honest, considering this, then how the sidechains work (or more likely don't work ...) in there, I think Ableton has quite a work to do on that host... grr...

There are unlimited sends for sidechain etc, and unlimited grouping of tracks for Bus processing. but only 12 send busses for send fx etc.
The problem is that you cant send from the middle of an fx chain.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:30 pm

frizzbee wrote:common guys, it is never the fault of the plugin nor the developer! it's clearly a hosts or user problem

btw i don't know any host that could send a signal from in between the fx chain. but that's another story.
anyway, why don't you use the output gain of your effects? takes seconds and you don't have the problem with sending a signal or reaction times of MAGC. aren't you just too lazy at this point?

I am honestly not trying to go against Vojtech, I am trying to help. Its clear that most people on here are struggling to set it up correctly, due to DAW restriction and this seems to be most DAWs.
I actually don't need this feature anyway, as I exclusively use Melda only and every plugin has AGC built in. This is really for others using 3rd party plugins, I am just trying to give a solution to help others.

pumafred · Post by **pumafred** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:31 pm

Let's just accept it is a freebie that may not be useful to all of us, thank Vojtec, and move on.

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:04 am

jmg8 wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote:That's just how it is folks. We cannot really send signal from one place to another, only the host can do that. If Live has only 12 buss limit, then I don't even know what to say... To be honest, considering this, then how the sidechains work (or more likely don't work ...) in there, I think Ableton has quite a work to do on that host... grr...
There are unlimited sends for sidechain etc, and unlimited grouping of tracks for Bus processing. but only 12 send busses for send fx etc.
The problem is that you cant send from the middle of an fx chain.

It is possible to route audio from a Effect in the middle of a FX chain in Live.

You put the Effect you want to "tap" inside a Audio Effect Rack (select it and press Ctrl+G on PC).

Then that Rack will appear as an Routing Point in anything that can receive routed audio ("buss" tracks, Gate and Compressor, etc...).

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:04 am

Exactly! Every reasonable host allows sending signals to sidechain of any FX of course! If not, then one should consider changing the host

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And thank you Frizzbee for you "valuable" feedback as always

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:27 pm

jmg8 wrote:
pumafred wrote:I am embarrassed to ask, but I will ask: what is this plugin for and how is it used?
If you apply effects to your sound, in most cases it changes the volume. Louder sounds better and often tricks us into thinking the changes we have made are positive. This plugin is the same feature as the auto gain compensation in all melda plugins, although now, with this new plugin, you can use it with 3rd party VSTs.

So basically it just keeps the output loudness the same as whatever you feed into it's sidechain.

I was wondering, how does all this differ from the MCompare I put before and after my effect to remove the volume differences?

Thanks -

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:51 pm

Well:

MCompare matches the input to the output.

MAGC matches the output to the input.

Or in other words:

MCompare changes the value of the input.

MAGC changes the value of the output.

pumafred · Post by **pumafred** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:01 am

Let me add to jmg8´s point that the difference, then, is that MAGC would help you with your gain staging, ensuring that what comes out is still at the desired levels. For judging the impact of a plugin, either method should work, but not for gain staging.
(Please, anyone, correct me if I am wrong.)

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:07 am

In fact I'm not even sure why MCompare changes the input to match the output. It has no benefit i can see. Especially in mastering in MComapre it can clip the input, as mostly when mastering we are very close to 0db.

pumafred · Post by **pumafred** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:30 am

? If you are close to 0db in mastering, you would not want MCompare to change volumes in the output, no?

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:49 pm

Thanks for replies.

So as an MCompare owner, would MAGC bring anything additional to the table for me?

pumafred · Post by **pumafred** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:42 pm

As an MCompare owner, and Cubase user, I have not figured out any way to get MAGC to do anything additional for me (at least in a convenient way).

But, since it is a freebie, no complaints from here!

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