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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 16 May, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 9216 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Pequot Lakes, MN
Even porting over filters is a blatant violation of the EULA, which explicitly prohibits any reverse engineering of that type...PhoenixNine wrote:To answer the first question, it is possible to port Reaktor ensembles to C++, since they use the same logic and math (basically). We have only ported over some filters but not entire instruments. I am guessing that would require an expertise in C++.
Up until that statement, I thought it sounded like something I'd like to join...
ew
A spectral heretic...
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33175 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Excuse me? Are you implying some sort of 'morality check' on the behaviour of people signing up?PhoenixNine wrote: 3- Excess foul language and violence (drugs, sex)
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRAF
- 2818 posts since 30 Aug, 2001 from where dinosaurs are still alive
absolutely no problem and congrats with RUG. I've never accused developers of piracy when distributing outside NI's site.
there was a call for this closed community..daGuru wants the brawl, not me. sorry, your socially accepted anarchy is still illegal bs.
go on, show off that "ethic piracy" logo tattoed on yer ass and be noisy. you have a whole willing board for that.
there was a call for this closed community..daGuru wants the brawl, not me. sorry, your socially accepted anarchy is still illegal bs.
go on, show off that "ethic piracy" logo tattoed on yer ass and be noisy. you have a whole willing board for that.
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- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
Guys, sometimes reading KVR is like pretending we'd lived behind the remotest mountains of the world. It seems sometimes we'd pretend that just because some of us here don't crack software (or all don't, what do I know, I don't), we think nobody on earth would. This would be a statement that proved we'd know nothing of the musical world. We all know some devs and their stories about rich musicians who use cracked software, which is a shame. Nobody that writes here is PRO ILLEGAL SOFTWARE.
I payed around 1000 Euro for 2 instruments from Native instruments. Reaktor4+the5-update, Kontakt2. I paid 156 Euro for 4 versions of EnergyXT (3 being donations, plus one as a 1/3-donation with Jens and rsmus7 that I forgot here).
Those 2 instruments are pretty wonderful. Nice to have'em. All those delicious ensembles from so many most intelligent people. I am a rather poor man, or will be in the next future. Now we can go on with our "if you can't afford it, let it be" for ages. Will this change the real world more than some bavarian rightwing-bloat that farts in some remote mountains changes "the world"? No. Reality is, Native Instruments - leaders aren't dead because SOME people - that's reality now - crack their software. And reality is, a good bunch of people in our universities deal with how to tell people they should be cool and trendy and buy X and Y. We have forgotten that there were times without advertising-art-designers and 50% of people dealing with the problem how to tell people about spending money for things they don't really need, = being trendy.
Now some can't pay but want to use a superb creative tool like Reaktor. So they crack. There are statistics that seem to prove that THOSE are the first to pay as soon as they are able to. So NI would indeed profit from THIS, if statistics wouldn't be wrong here. It's illegal, of course, and not to be supported, but let's face it, it's in the world.
Others can pay AND crack. That's awful. Really awful. Those won't buy, it seems, what they stole before. But it's reality in a capitalist world, and it is ridiculous not to see a relation to the advertising-millions-of-people that spread around in our countries: YOU NEED THE FOURTH CAR! OTHERWISE YOUR UNCLE-UNCOOL! DO YOU STILL WEAR 80'S CLOTHES? HOW UNCLE! ALL DJ'S DISS 80s! and so on...
Why denying the facts?
"And mp3s are sent illegal over the internet? Oooh? REAAAALLY?" Poor Sony....such fair and fine people, and some 14year old kids DARE to take their hard earned money? Now kill them! Baa baa baa says my granny! That's nasty like pissing on the floor! Now hopefully the persons who run Sony will be able to sleep this night in a real home, not on the cold streets...
Oh come on...aren't we a tad pathetic here ignoring the world?
I don't talk pro crack-kids here, I just think it's useless that we play the street-guards for NI...
It's like Sickle said: In case the new website contained some illegal things, Native instruments (with their copy-protection-pains for honest customers like me which crackers laugh about, we all discussed this rather often) would come with the lawyer. They'd come this day. Or tomorrow, after some hype about their product. Or they'd not come after seeing that sales would rise a tad inspite of the baaadybaaadybad website, or what do we know.
So let's see what happens.
I like the idea that poor people should use great software for their creativity too, just like many of us said here: would the rich not be the bad ones sometimes, those who make things impossible, of COURSE it would be better Europeans and US-Australia-Canada-Japan-etcetc people paid what NI wants, and NI would take 1/100 for Reaktor from someone who earns 1/100 as much we do. If this is socialism, it is good. I don't think it has the least to do with anything socialist dictatorship has done to the world.
It is utterly unfair that someone from Mali, would he and she have a PC, should pay 1000 Euro or 700 or 400 for Reaktor5 and Kontakt2.
To be frank, not the most important thing on earth, as the real injustice is, for example, that western countries, and mainly USA, Australia and Europe, take care that Bangladesh will be under water this century (as 99% of scientists say based on the facts we know now) because Bush and many more still don't get into their heads that climate changes are no humbug (even if many techno-heads thought this way for too long and had their main pleasure in dissing "ecologists").
So what is the new Reaktor-website that maybe will be closed soon after NI sent the lawyers compared to this...Creativity for all! And more justice now
thank you and good day
I payed around 1000 Euro for 2 instruments from Native instruments. Reaktor4+the5-update, Kontakt2. I paid 156 Euro for 4 versions of EnergyXT (3 being donations, plus one as a 1/3-donation with Jens and rsmus7 that I forgot here).
Those 2 instruments are pretty wonderful. Nice to have'em. All those delicious ensembles from so many most intelligent people. I am a rather poor man, or will be in the next future. Now we can go on with our "if you can't afford it, let it be" for ages. Will this change the real world more than some bavarian rightwing-bloat that farts in some remote mountains changes "the world"? No. Reality is, Native Instruments - leaders aren't dead because SOME people - that's reality now - crack their software. And reality is, a good bunch of people in our universities deal with how to tell people they should be cool and trendy and buy X and Y. We have forgotten that there were times without advertising-art-designers and 50% of people dealing with the problem how to tell people about spending money for things they don't really need, = being trendy.
Now some can't pay but want to use a superb creative tool like Reaktor. So they crack. There are statistics that seem to prove that THOSE are the first to pay as soon as they are able to. So NI would indeed profit from THIS, if statistics wouldn't be wrong here. It's illegal, of course, and not to be supported, but let's face it, it's in the world.
Others can pay AND crack. That's awful. Really awful. Those won't buy, it seems, what they stole before. But it's reality in a capitalist world, and it is ridiculous not to see a relation to the advertising-millions-of-people that spread around in our countries: YOU NEED THE FOURTH CAR! OTHERWISE YOUR UNCLE-UNCOOL! DO YOU STILL WEAR 80'S CLOTHES? HOW UNCLE! ALL DJ'S DISS 80s! and so on...
Why denying the facts?
"And mp3s are sent illegal over the internet? Oooh? REAAAALLY?" Poor Sony....such fair and fine people, and some 14year old kids DARE to take their hard earned money? Now kill them! Baa baa baa says my granny! That's nasty like pissing on the floor! Now hopefully the persons who run Sony will be able to sleep this night in a real home, not on the cold streets...
Oh come on...aren't we a tad pathetic here ignoring the world?
I don't talk pro crack-kids here, I just think it's useless that we play the street-guards for NI...
It's like Sickle said: In case the new website contained some illegal things, Native instruments (with their copy-protection-pains for honest customers like me which crackers laugh about, we all discussed this rather often) would come with the lawyer. They'd come this day. Or tomorrow, after some hype about their product. Or they'd not come after seeing that sales would rise a tad inspite of the baaadybaaadybad website, or what do we know.
So let's see what happens.
I like the idea that poor people should use great software for their creativity too, just like many of us said here: would the rich not be the bad ones sometimes, those who make things impossible, of COURSE it would be better Europeans and US-Australia-Canada-Japan-etcetc people paid what NI wants, and NI would take 1/100 for Reaktor from someone who earns 1/100 as much we do. If this is socialism, it is good. I don't think it has the least to do with anything socialist dictatorship has done to the world.
It is utterly unfair that someone from Mali, would he and she have a PC, should pay 1000 Euro or 700 or 400 for Reaktor5 and Kontakt2.
To be frank, not the most important thing on earth, as the real injustice is, for example, that western countries, and mainly USA, Australia and Europe, take care that Bangladesh will be under water this century (as 99% of scientists say based on the facts we know now) because Bush and many more still don't get into their heads that climate changes are no humbug (even if many techno-heads thought this way for too long and had their main pleasure in dissing "ecologists").
So what is the new Reaktor-website that maybe will be closed soon after NI sent the lawyers compared to this...Creativity for all! And more justice now
thank you and good day
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 16 May, 2005
1- We don't plan on porting Reaktor projects over to c++ew wrote:Even porting over filters is a blatant violation of the EULA, which explicitly prohibits any reverse engineering of that type...PhoenixNine wrote:To answer the first question, it is possible to port Reaktor ensembles to C++, since they use the same logic and math (basically). We have only ported over some filters but not entire instruments. I am guessing that would require an expertise in C++.
Up until that statement, I thought it sounded like something I'd like to join...
ew
2- We do plan to port our c++ projects over to Reaktor
Do we understand now?
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 16 May, 2005
Yes we are having server problems right now. Will be back up soon.Timbre wrote:Hi, i registered to RUG, but it says "Error you cannot view this section" when i try to view forums etc...tho registration was successful and i can login...whats wrong ?
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- KVRAF
- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
Can I ask how you intend to verify members are using a licensed install of Reaktor? If you're against piracy, I completely fail to see how you will establish this..
The idea seems cool, but when you snag yourself on details like ew has indicated in the EULA, it seems this good idea may need some refinement before proceeding or there could be trouble down th eline for somebody.
That's not a threat in any way on my part, I'm just stating the obvious..I'm not sure if you caught this particular incident, but Metaphysical Function's developer busted a User Library uploader that jacked a good amount of code from Metaphysical Function while it was still a stand-alone only freebie, which meant that the second developer not only stole proprietary code, but hacked the stand-alone program itself to aquire it. This guy got ROYALLY chewed out by the original developer and was forced to rebuild the instrument from scratch..
In other words, these guys keep their eyes open to reverse engineering, especially on the commercial ensembles. There's PLENTY of great macros from the Electronic Instrument collections 1& 2 I'd love to slap into the instruments I build and share, but there's no way in hell I'm taking a commercial macro and providing it to anyone who doesn't already have the original ensemble registered.
Fair Warning..
The idea seems cool, but when you snag yourself on details like ew has indicated in the EULA, it seems this good idea may need some refinement before proceeding or there could be trouble down th eline for somebody.
That's not a threat in any way on my part, I'm just stating the obvious..I'm not sure if you caught this particular incident, but Metaphysical Function's developer busted a User Library uploader that jacked a good amount of code from Metaphysical Function while it was still a stand-alone only freebie, which meant that the second developer not only stole proprietary code, but hacked the stand-alone program itself to aquire it. This guy got ROYALLY chewed out by the original developer and was forced to rebuild the instrument from scratch..
In other words, these guys keep their eyes open to reverse engineering, especially on the commercial ensembles. There's PLENTY of great macros from the Electronic Instrument collections 1& 2 I'd love to slap into the instruments I build and share, but there's no way in hell I'm taking a commercial macro and providing it to anyone who doesn't already have the original ensemble registered.
Fair Warning..
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 16 May, 2005
Yes, we have no idea if the Reakor user has a lisenced copy and it would be impossible to know this without written documentation. We will try out best to keep everything under check. We really don't want to break any laws and we don't think we are. If NI has any problem with what we are doing we are happy to shut it all down. We don't want to impose a threat, just help out the community or Reaktor users.
Thanks,
RUG Staff
(BTW if we don't see many users we will shut down anyway."
Thanks,
RUG Staff
(BTW if we don't see many users we will shut down anyway."
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- KVRAF
- 9216 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Pequot Lakes, MN
I usually don't disagree with you, Klemperer- but in this case I've got to...Klemperer wrote:It is utterly unfair that someone from Mali, would he and she have a PC, should pay 1000 Euro or 700 or 400 for Reaktor5 and Kontakt2.
NI's MSRP (which is what their web store charges) does have a huge markup, true. This is so the dealers themselves can give what seems to be a good deal and still make a reasonable profit; otherwise they wouldn''t have a marketing outlet.
Could they set up a different marketing group in Mali and the like and charge lower prices? Possibly. But then, wouldn't that be unfair to us in the more "advanced" countries?
ew
A spectral heretic...
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- KVRist
- 177 posts since 31 Oct, 2004 from Nærum, Denmark
What happened here? I was looking forward to this community, and also to finally be able to follow the development of the Infection ensemble, where I currently don't know what version is the newest. Any new light on this?
