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Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:44 pm

Let the odd times roll...

- m

Marc JX8P · Post by **Marc JX8P** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:01 pm

Very cool idea! I've usually taken the easy route and gone 4/4 - but different time signatures can give very interesting resuls. Do we get bonus points for changing time signatures in the track too?

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:05 pm

This months content is fantastic!

I actually don't use 4/4 that often

Here goes...

kara · Post by **kara** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:07 pm

4/4 = 1 I'll have to think about that....

Scoops · Post by **Scoops** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:27 pm

I call dibs on "Take 5"

Scoops

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:19 am

whats a time signature?

ok, in 4/4 my grid shows 16 - 4 beats each with 4
so what would my grid look like for other time sigs?
ie would 3/4 be 12 split in to 3 beats each with 4 or 4 beats each with 3?
other time sigs would be nice too if you please

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:54 am

vurt wrote:whats a time signature?

ok, in 4/4 my grid shows 16 - 4 beats each with 4
so what would my grid look like for other time sigs?
ie would 3/4 be 12 split in to 3 beats each with 4 or 4 beats each with 3?
other time sigs would be nice too if you please

3/4 would be 12 - 4 lots of 3 ... if i'm understanding you ..
it's waltz time ... think blue danube

"da da da da dum da dum da dum"

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:57 am

what about 5/4 or 7/8: any well known pieces as examples?

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:00 am

Let's see in the last week I've made songs with a 23/16 over a 13/16 polyrythm,
the Waves contest with a chorus in 11/4... my March contest was in 4/4.

Maybe I should make a polka? I'm sure it'll be done tonight.
I wish there was a once-every-3-days contest.

Vegetarian · Post by **Vegetarian** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:16 am

Ok, some theory then ...

Simple time signatures, divides into one part of 2, 3 or 4 (eg. 4/4, 2/4, 3/4 etc):
Top number is the number of beats in the bar, bottom number is the note which gets the beat.
So, in 4/4, that's 4 beats in the bar and the note which gets the beat is a quarter note/crochet.
In 3/4, that's 3 beats, and each beat is once again a quarter note/crochet.

Compound time signatures, which divide into several parts of 2, 3 or 4 (eg. 6/8, 9/8, 12/4):
These are a bit harder. Basically, the top number is the number of divisions in the bar, and the bottom number is the value of the divisions. Not quite the same as simple time as the time signature doesn't dictate the divisions of the beat, but you can still work it out.
For example, 6/8 is 6 divisions of the bar, and the value of the divisions is an eighth note/quaver. It's compound duple because it divides into 2 beats of 3 divisions per beat.
9/8 is 9 divisions of the bar, and the value of the divisions is an eighth note/quaver again. That's compound triple because it divides into 3 beats with 3 divisions per beat.

Complex, which don't divide evenly into 2, 3 or 4 (eg. 5/4, 7/8 etc)
Harder to count, but kind of like compound time signatures. The top note is again the number of divisions per bar, and the bottom is the note value of the divisions. The way they divide into beats can be a bit ambiguous, which would depend on your purposes.
For example, 5/4 is 5 divisions of the bar, with quarter notes/crochets per division. You could count it as one beat of 3 and one beat of 2, or the other way around if you want.
7/8 is 7 divisions of the bar with eighth notes/quavers per division. You can count it as one beat of 4 and one beat of 3, or maybe smaller divisions, or more mixed up, entirely up to you!

Anyway, that's basically time signatures, kind of better than what my professor would explain it as

edit: oh and i might enter this month if i have time, got a whole crapload of assignments/exams over the next two weeks

editedit: forgot something!

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:24 am

apple apple apple galloping. (shit!!! i wish voidoid was here

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spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:02 am

Think I might make use of that 15/8 motif I've had floating around my cerebral nether-regions for a while.

After I get this University Final Year Project out the way of course...

danielmm · Post by **danielmm** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:22 am

ouroboros wrote:what about 5/4 or 7/8: any well known pieces as examples?

Sting uses some odd time sigs.....can't think of the name of the song off the top of my head though that you might know?????
Money by Pink Floyd is 7/8....
dano

You™ · Post by **You™** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:32 am

BTDT, Markleford.

I think you would have encouraged far more creativity to require 120 BPM + 4/4 or 3/4 time + standard major or minor key ditties. At least the composers of the lame songs wouldn't be able to whinge about how difficult it is to micro-tune their soft synths or play their Doric scale tuning whilst rapping in Iambic Pentameter over 7 beat Mishra Chapu taals and 11:17 polyrhythmic cluster percussion.

If I hear anyone mention Frank Zappa, Fela Kuti or Conlon Nancarrow, I am going to rub my dog's earwax into their MIDI sockets. Markleford, I think your absolute power has corrupted you absolutely. Oh well... It's Saturday night. I've already been to one funeral today. I'm going out.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:52 am

ouroboros wrote:what about 5/4 or 7/8: any well known pieces as examples?

Pink Floyd's "Money" (7) and Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" already mentioned.

Mid to late 90's rock had Soundgarden and Tool as good examples of bands that could stretch out in other meters.

Earlier had the whole prog rock scene, with Yes and Rush slipping deceivingly simple tunes onto radio.

- m

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