But his music lives foreverAloysius wrote:Zappa is dead ... and he smells funny.
Synthedit is NOT dead
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- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
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- KVRAF
- 4534 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
It can be discussed for those who are Free...Aloysius wrote:I think xoxos might be right about the masons after all.
Build your life everyday as if you would live for a thousand years. Marvel at the Life everyday as if you would die tomorrow.
I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
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- KVRAF
- 4278 posts since 6 Nov, 2009
The problem with Masonry is that it is all about keeping secrets. I guess that made it hard to keep it pure. There's so many different variants now that it became a muddied mess. The Zionist take-over-the-world stuff was likely one of the muddy branches, as is Mormonism.
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- KVRAF
- 4534 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
I don't know anything about "secret societies". The only thing I can affirm is that the SynthEdit community of developers is not at all a secret society. Everything is open to everybody (and without having to pay a cent).arkmabat wrote:The problem with Masonry is that it is all about keeping secrets. I guess that made it hard to keep it pure. There's so many different variants now that it became a muddied mess. The Zionist take-over-the-world stuff was likely one of the muddy branches, as is Mormonism.
And in biology, physics, astronomy, etc. it is an elementary knowledge that every closed system is a system condemned to death. But SynthEdit is a fully opened system, with perpetual renewal and evolution of the developers, users, etc. That's why SynthEdit is wholeheartedly alive, and not close to die.
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I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
Looking at the SE and SM forums/communities i would say both are pretty much dead.
Looking at products (and the quality of them) being released it backs that up.
Most of the inovators seem to have gone too...
Look around at the quality of free multi platform synths and fx....SE/SM creations cant match them.
Looking at products (and the quality of them) being released it backs that up.
Most of the inovators seem to have gone too...
Look around at the quality of free multi platform synths and fx....SE/SM creations cant match them.
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- KVRAF
- 4534 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
Really?Kriminal wrote:Most of the inovators seem to have gone too...
Dave, you should know a bit better the current innovators who are currently making many new modules. You would say the total inverse of what you just wrote.
Build your life everyday as if you would live for a thousand years. Marvel at the Life everyday as if you would die tomorrow.
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I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
I was talking about synth/fx creators but.... ive been looking this week at the yahoo groups etc, and havent seen much at all. Many sections havent had and uploads for over 5 years!BlackWinny wrote:Really?Kriminal wrote:Most of the inovators seem to have gone too...
Dave, you should know a bit better the current innovators who are currently making many new modules. You would say the total inverse of what you just wrote.
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- KVRAF
- 4534 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
I could cite about twenty (or more) SE developers who are very active today. And I probably miss many others that I don't know or that I don't have currently in mind.Kriminal wrote:I was talking about synth/fx creators but.... ive been looking this week at the yahoo groups etc, and havent seen much at all. Many sections havent had and uploads for over 5 years!BlackWinny wrote:Really?Kriminal wrote:Most of the inovators seem to have gone too...
Dave, you should know a bit better the current innovators who are currently making many new modules. You would say the total inverse of what you just wrote.
Build your life everyday as if you would live for a thousand years. Marvel at the Life everyday as if you would die tomorrow.
I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
I'm now severely diseased since September 2018.
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- KVRian
- 677 posts since 19 Jul, 2005 from Paris
So what?
Jeff started to work on SE in 1987... we are in 2015.
The time of Jeff is not a customer time, it's the time to do solid and robust software.
I think, even we do not agree sometime with the Jeff's choices, we must support him, specially on KVR.
SE is a standalone modular software which can export vst, it's not a professional environment to build and sell multi-plateform plugins.
But with its SDK we can make what we want with SE, it's a good deal to do DSP researches.
A lot of musical innovations were made with SE by a lot of hobbyist devs because we are musicians and we do not want to be simple boring devs.
So this is why I think they are a lot of guys on who do not respect the great work of Jeff because they are simply bad or impatient.
Xavier
Jeff started to work on SE in 1987... we are in 2015.
The time of Jeff is not a customer time, it's the time to do solid and robust software.
I think, even we do not agree sometime with the Jeff's choices, we must support him, specially on KVR.
SE is a standalone modular software which can export vst, it's not a professional environment to build and sell multi-plateform plugins.
But with its SDK we can make what we want with SE, it's a good deal to do DSP researches.
A lot of musical innovations were made with SE by a lot of hobbyist devs because we are musicians and we do not want to be simple boring devs.
So this is why I think they are a lot of guys on who do not respect the great work of Jeff because they are simply bad or impatient.
Xavier
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- KVRAF
- 3170 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
hang on: Kriminal is author of only SE synth that doesn't hang notes
with the Orion arpeggiator ! (unfortunately a clone of a synth he despises)
>'Bass Terminal' works fine with the Orion arp. but couldn't figure out
why, as there was nothing unusual in the MIDI-CV part..
i think the note-hang must be an Orion problem - do SE synths arp ok
in other hosts? do other SE synths work clean with the Orion arp?
this is the only gripe i've had over the years with SE plugins, made
me really appreciate little things like Charlatan.
Xavier: how do you deal with the harsh bright background in 1.1?
f*** yer eyes up, maaan... i keep meaning to just import 1.0 projects
into it for rendering, but my old 1.0 habit keeps me busy, generally
(until current grind-to-halt due to other factors)
*this* was, as you saw, my bitter gripe(which i already knew about,
i was having a bad day on a more general level) about not fixing what
must be, compared to other issues, relatively simple, since it has to
be some single RGB hex value deciding the switch point to 'blind mode'.
and that's gotta be the most ludicrous way of harming your own software,
and maybe not a hard thing to track down. one member jokes that it is
a bug, Jeff re-states policy of not going back over earlier version, and it
is really made mor undrstandable when he points out his entire work install
for 1.1 existed on a previous machine/installation and is now backed up,
and a complete PITA to get evrything, including libraries up and running
again. that, you can more easily accept.
i think the main thing right now is for all current active users to get 1.2
running alongside 1.0/1.1, whatever they're using, since it is completely
separate this time (unlike 1.0+1.1 together, sharing modules folder, and
recent files list, which could be awkard/dangerous if you accidentally save
a 1.0 file in 1.1 etc.) and identify+report as many issues as poss', and submit
requests now while it is the time to do so (rather than bemoaning after the
fact)
with the Orion arpeggiator ! (unfortunately a clone of a synth he despises)
>'Bass Terminal' works fine with the Orion arp. but couldn't figure out
why, as there was nothing unusual in the MIDI-CV part..
i think the note-hang must be an Orion problem - do SE synths arp ok
in other hosts? do other SE synths work clean with the Orion arp?
this is the only gripe i've had over the years with SE plugins, made
me really appreciate little things like Charlatan.
Xavier: how do you deal with the harsh bright background in 1.1?
f*** yer eyes up, maaan... i keep meaning to just import 1.0 projects
into it for rendering, but my old 1.0 habit keeps me busy, generally
(until current grind-to-halt due to other factors)
*this* was, as you saw, my bitter gripe(which i already knew about,
i was having a bad day on a more general level) about not fixing what
must be, compared to other issues, relatively simple, since it has to
be some single RGB hex value deciding the switch point to 'blind mode'.
and that's gotta be the most ludicrous way of harming your own software,
and maybe not a hard thing to track down. one member jokes that it is
a bug, Jeff re-states policy of not going back over earlier version, and it
is really made mor undrstandable when he points out his entire work install
for 1.1 existed on a previous machine/installation and is now backed up,
and a complete PITA to get evrything, including libraries up and running
again. that, you can more easily accept.
i think the main thing right now is for all current active users to get 1.2
running alongside 1.0/1.1, whatever they're using, since it is completely
separate this time (unlike 1.0+1.1 together, sharing modules folder, and
recent files list, which could be awkard/dangerous if you accidentally save
a 1.0 file in 1.1 etc.) and identify+report as many issues as poss', and submit
requests now while it is the time to do so (rather than bemoaning after the
fact)
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- KVRAF
- 3170 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
regarding activity in the community, it's mainly down to a few bods atm.
it's normal that in the initial life of SE it attracted some of the great
skills out there - who have maybe moved off onto something else now.
VST itself has lost a lot of users in the past few years, with the resurgence
of hardware products - but overall the idea of making music with computers
has probably spread a little further, bringing in new users. and if 32bit is
really going to be chucked out, along with all those plugins, people will be
wanting 64bit whether they need it or not. tbh, i'm surprised the industry
at large has let this kind of issue emerge. more crap to confuse people.
Q: is SE 64bit really only going to be VST3? or is that disinformation?
it's normal that in the initial life of SE it attracted some of the great
skills out there - who have maybe moved off onto something else now.
VST itself has lost a lot of users in the past few years, with the resurgence
of hardware products - but overall the idea of making music with computers
has probably spread a little further, bringing in new users. and if 32bit is
really going to be chucked out, along with all those plugins, people will be
wanting 64bit whether they need it or not. tbh, i'm surprised the industry
at large has let this kind of issue emerge. more crap to confuse people.
Q: is SE 64bit really only going to be VST3? or is that disinformation?
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- KVRAF
- 3170 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
the files section got a clearout cleanup a coupla years ago.
most of those remaining are relevant to basic SE practice
- and there are SOME new files, also new folders, and if
you check, some 150 64bit modules have been released
in the past few months, following on from A.Ainslie+others'
SDK3 modules, zero-delay filters etc.
and xoxos released some modules - at least 2 yrs now,
but those were SDK2: new modules for old version SE
RobH is actively writing modules atm too, so there should
be a fair bit to play with when it all comes together. it is
at a point where you can look at the past and decide what's
essential and what is superfluous. tricky thing is the possibility
of re-incarnating work by D.Haupt/Kelly Lynch (and C.Kerry),
and Daz hasn't said he's going to rewrite all of his stuff yet.
most of those remaining are relevant to basic SE practice
- and there are SOME new files, also new folders, and if
you check, some 150 64bit modules have been released
in the past few months, following on from A.Ainslie+others'
SDK3 modules, zero-delay filters etc.
and xoxos released some modules - at least 2 yrs now,
but those were SDK2: new modules for old version SE
RobH is actively writing modules atm too, so there should
be a fair bit to play with when it all comes together. it is
at a point where you can look at the past and decide what's
essential and what is superfluous. tricky thing is the possibility
of re-incarnating work by D.Haupt/Kelly Lynch (and C.Kerry),
and Daz hasn't said he's going to rewrite all of his stuff yet.
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- Banned
- 12368 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
what if synthedit is alive, and everyone else is dead? then how would they know?
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
