Another warez user featured in an FM video?
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- Banned
- 28 posts since 12 Mar, 2015
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Here's common sense 101 rolled up nice and neatly. If you steal software to create your own empire, then you are a twit. I'd like to repeat that. If you steal software to create your own empire, you are a twit. BUT, if you follow them and KNOW they are stealing and BUY their stuff/tickets/etc, then you are satan's bastard spawn and need at least one of your heads severed.....
Any questions?
Here's common sense 101 rolled up nice and neatly. If you steal software to create your own empire, then you are a twit. I'd like to repeat that. If you steal software to create your own empire, you are a twit. BUT, if you follow them and KNOW they are stealing and BUY their stuff/tickets/etc, then you are satan's bastard spawn and need at least one of your heads severed.....
Any questions?
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
LOL, this thread has now completely ventured into the land of the crazy.
There's no need to fall into conspiracy theories and some strange grand narratives to see the motivation why people pirate. Because motives to pirate usually rests on some quite simple drivers.
People pirate certain products because pros are using the same things. Even if there's good free alternatives around people still feel the need to use the same things others use. People pirate certain products that are popular because they are actually good products. If your plugins are sh1t, no one will not only purchase them but they will not be pirated either.
Most of the pirating is pretty casual and for majority of people it would absolutely make no difference it they could not pirate the stuff they do simply because they just have no real need for it. Every kid with Waves Mercury and every other major plugin bundle installed on their computer is not some kind of moral degenerate and thieving ant-social monster. It's most likely that majority of that stuff that is pirated will rarely get any use at all. And if it would not be possible to pirate it nobody would care either.
I remember talking some Adobe regional leaders long time ago when Adobe was not yet the huge corporate monopoly it is today. And their attitude was pretty much that they do hate piracy, and they do go after the large companies using the pirated stuff, but they rather have people pirating their stuff than Macromedia's or Corel's. And like the research I posted here indicates, their dominance and monopoly status today in many markets are solely attributed to piracy. Photoshop is not popular not only because it is the best image editor but also because it is the most pirated one and lots of people have learned to use it through piracy when they were kids.
There's no need to fall into conspiracy theories and some strange grand narratives to see the motivation why people pirate. Because motives to pirate usually rests on some quite simple drivers.
People pirate certain products because pros are using the same things. Even if there's good free alternatives around people still feel the need to use the same things others use. People pirate certain products that are popular because they are actually good products. If your plugins are sh1t, no one will not only purchase them but they will not be pirated either.
Most of the pirating is pretty casual and for majority of people it would absolutely make no difference it they could not pirate the stuff they do simply because they just have no real need for it. Every kid with Waves Mercury and every other major plugin bundle installed on their computer is not some kind of moral degenerate and thieving ant-social monster. It's most likely that majority of that stuff that is pirated will rarely get any use at all. And if it would not be possible to pirate it nobody would care either.
I remember talking some Adobe regional leaders long time ago when Adobe was not yet the huge corporate monopoly it is today. And their attitude was pretty much that they do hate piracy, and they do go after the large companies using the pirated stuff, but they rather have people pirating their stuff than Macromedia's or Corel's. And like the research I posted here indicates, their dominance and monopoly status today in many markets are solely attributed to piracy. Photoshop is not popular not only because it is the best image editor but also because it is the most pirated one and lots of people have learned to use it through piracy when they were kids.
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- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 9 Dec, 2008
That's...erm...easy for you to say? I think.She Changed Her Mind wrote:
In other words: science does not have created, or brought, ANY realistic view in this world, whatever you say.
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
The butler did it.
My other host is Bruce Forsyth
- KVRAF
- 4851 posts since 5 May, 2005 from Stockholm, Sweden
Here in "Piracy Mecca" Sweden it is not poor people who rabidly and vocally support Piracy (even going so far as to start political parties in it's favour) it is well-to-do middle class white people who either:
A) Live off their parents: and thus get everything for free, they buy into the illusion that life is a breeze and everything should be free for everybody right now (probably because it alleviates their subconscious guilt about being parasites).
B)Work for a living...in which case they undoubtedly expect to get paid at the end of the month, which is the height of hypocrisy because they value their own time but not the time of software developers/media providers.
People always have a choice to do the right thing. It's a question of standards. If there are people who live in the rainforests in total harmony with their surroundings then we can surely get by without something as trivial as illegal software/media. People who are truly poor worry about getting food on the table not about if they can spend hours torrenting the latest Hollywood blockbusters. #firstworldproblems.
A) Live off their parents: and thus get everything for free, they buy into the illusion that life is a breeze and everything should be free for everybody right now (probably because it alleviates their subconscious guilt about being parasites).
B)Work for a living...in which case they undoubtedly expect to get paid at the end of the month, which is the height of hypocrisy because they value their own time but not the time of software developers/media providers.
People always have a choice to do the right thing. It's a question of standards. If there are people who live in the rainforests in total harmony with their surroundings then we can surely get by without something as trivial as illegal software/media. People who are truly poor worry about getting food on the table not about if they can spend hours torrenting the latest Hollywood blockbusters. #firstworldproblems.
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- KVRian
- 1352 posts since 30 Mar, 2011
Sendy wrote:This. It needs to hit their bottom line. Emailing them to say "I lost respect for your publication" probably won't do much, even if hundreds of emails were sent. But does anyone even really need FM now we have the internet and forums like KVR and Gearsluts?Jace-BeOS wrote:More advertisers would have to pull out and subscribers would have to cancel.Urs wrote:It would be great if some more people did.Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?
I actually think endorsing piracy like this is way worse morally than privately pirating and putzing about with the latest plugins. It's sending out a clear message - it's cool to pirate and paying is for chumps.
One could start grabbing FM for free (if you know what I mean). As an excuse, on could say that one had bought the magazine but couldn't find it right now...
But that wouldn't be nice of course.
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She Changed Her Mind She Changed Her Mind https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=342043
- Banned
- 452 posts since 22 Nov, 2014 from Amsterdam
I don't think so. Maybe for us. And that is exactly the illusion of it. To play God.. for a while.samsam wrote:That's...erm...easy for you to say? I think.She Changed Her Mind wrote:
In other words: science does not have created, or brought, ANY realistic view in this world, whatever you say.
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
Yes. That as well.She Changed Her Mind wrote:I don't think so. Maybe for us. And that is exactly the illusion of it. To play God.. for a while.samsam wrote:That's...erm...easy for you to say? I think.She Changed Her Mind wrote:
In other words: science does not have created, or brought, ANY realistic view in this world, whatever you say.
Also, djenga.
My other host is Bruce Forsyth
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Who can really tell whether warezers are teenies or oldies, rich or poor, pro or amateurs, teasers or parasites, stupid or sly, idealists or criminals? And who cares anyway? I see one solution only:
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She Changed Her Mind She Changed Her Mind https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=342043
- Banned
- 452 posts since 22 Nov, 2014 from Amsterdam
We were talking about warez, yes. That's right.
Anyway, we can't consider us very intelligent yet. As a whole. As it comes to a coherent plan. Maybe it is about time to think what is really possible lol
Other than running around in circles for ages. Life is short. After all.
Anyway, we can't consider us very intelligent yet. As a whole. As it comes to a coherent plan. Maybe it is about time to think what is really possible lol
Other than running around in circles for ages. Life is short. After all.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
I think it's unfair to call Sweden "Piracy Mecca". We just have a lot of exposure due to a certain website. Im not looking for getting into an argument but i do want to protest at the generalization since im a swede and i DONT use pirated softwarelotus2035 wrote:Here in "Piracy Mecca" Sweden it is not poor people who rabidly and vocally support Piracy (even going so far as to start political parties in it's favour) it is well-to-do middle class white people who either:
A) Live off their parents: and thus get everything for free, they buy into the illusion that life is a breeze and everything should be free for everybody right now (probably because it alleviates their subconscious guilt about being parasites).
B)Work for a living...in which case they undoubtedly expect to get paid at the end of the month, which is the height of hypocrisy because they value their own time but not the time of software developers/media providers.
People always have a choice to do the right thing. It's a question of standards. If there are people who live in the rainforests in total harmony with their surroundings then we can surely get by without something as trivial as illegal software/media. People who are truly poor worry about getting food on the table not about if they can spend hours torrenting the latest Hollywood blockbusters. #firstworldproblems.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
oops
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 35437 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
notinterested wrote:The more things change, the more they stay the same
Here's common sense 101 rolled up nice and neatly. If you steal software to create your own empire, then you are a twit. I'd like to repeat that. If you steal software to create your own empire, you are a twit. BUT, if you follow them and KNOW they are stealing and BUY their stuff/tickets/etc, then you are satan's bastard spawn and need at least one of your heads severed.....
Any questions?
That was good...