Redline Monitor - how does it work?
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 27 Jan, 2009
Thanks for Your reply.
I had in mind central phantom image (M/S), not distance button. If I set central button on -1.5dB, sound becomes thin and sharp and bass is weak. The sound isn't linear any more.
I had in mind central phantom image (M/S), not distance button. If I set central button on -1.5dB, sound becomes thin and sharp and bass is weak. The sound isn't linear any more.
Last edited by Pule on Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:22 pm, edited 2 times in total.
- KVRAF
- 3834 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
What are you listening on Pule? I didn't get that impression on my AKG 240DF. I get just the right amount of bass even with -2dB. Actually I prefer ~-2dB more than -1.5dB.
Thanks for including the "distance off" DJEX, much appreciated. I think I'm gonna fork out for this one... I think it could be very useful in some other ways, too... hmmm . Very cool.
Thanks!
and thanks for the really useful demo period.
Cheers!
Thanks for including the "distance off" DJEX, much appreciated. I think I'm gonna fork out for this one... I think it could be very useful in some other ways, too... hmmm . Very cool.
Thanks!
and thanks for the really useful demo period.
Cheers!
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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- KVRAF
- 11839 posts since 23 Nov, 2004 from west of east
So it seems some will find this plug-in more useful than others will. No news here.
We escape the trap of our own subjectivity by
perceiving neither black nor white but shades of grey
perceiving neither black nor white but shades of grey
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 22 Jan, 2009 from the Netherlands
One thing I can think of is that the material you're experiencing this with has some phase issue--the Center control does not affect the frequency response in any way. What happens if you set the Center to 0dB but engage Mono?Pule wrote:Thanks for Your reply.
I had in mind central phantom image (M/S), not distance button. If I set central button on -1.5dB, sound becomes thin and sharp and bass is weak. The sound isn't linear any more.
-- dj!
- KVRAF
- 7893 posts since 12 Feb, 2006 from Helsinki, Finland
I'd bet this is just a question of stereo image in the original audio: if most of the bass is mixed more or less mono (as one would do for various reasons with many modern genres) then cutting the mid-channel will naturally cut the bass as well.. because it lives in the middle.dj! (112dB) wrote:One thing I can think of is that the material you're experiencing this with has some phase issue--the Center control does not affect the frequency response in any way. What happens if you set the Center to 0dB but engage Mono?Pule wrote:Thanks for Your reply.
I had in mind central phantom image (M/S), not distance button. If I set central button on -1.5dB, sound becomes thin and sharp and bass is weak. The sound isn't linear any more.
-- dj!
I suppose one could add a sub-woofer in the model: do a crossover at something like 80-120Hz (or whatever) and only do the processing above the cutoff (and maybe downmix the bass to mono to simulate what happens in a setup where there's a single mono-sub).
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 27 Jan, 2009
dj! (112dB) wrote:
One thing I can think of is that the material you're experiencing this with has some phase issue--the Center control does not affect the frequency response in any way. What happens if you set the Center to 0dB but engage Mono?
-- dj!
In mono everything sounds OK, but.... I checked center control with stereo white noise and FFT analyser. When I put center control to -3dB and 30', freq. response is +-10dB?! +-5dB above/below 2 kHz.
When I put center control to zero and 90', freq. response is almost even.
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 6 Feb, 2003
briliant! exactly what I expected! finally a tool to check your mixes @midnight with all sleeping neighbours. the translation is almost perfect to me - immediatelly fixed a 4kHz problem in a song I was fighting with for 3 days. sennheiser hd280pro here but with a plugin like this I'm seriously considering akg k701. big fat kudos to 112db! (having so nice memories from Utrecht! )
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 22 Jan, 2009 from the Netherlands
I don't think you can properly check the frequency response of a M/S processor using stereo white noise. Try a sine sweep or a dedicated analyzer tool like VST Plugin Analizer (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1287.html) instead, and you'll find the frequency response is flat as a ruler. (In the meantime let me think about the technical reason for this, it's still early and I haven't even finished my first coffee yet. )Pule wrote:In mono everything sounds OK, but.... I checked center control with stereo white noise and FFT analyser. When I put center control to -3dB and 30', freq. response is +-10dB?! +-5dB above/below 2 kHz. When I put center control to zero and 90', freq. response is almost even.
Take care,
-- dj!
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- KVRist
- 315 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from London
dj! (112dB) wrote:I don't think you can properly check the frequency response of a M/S processor using stereo white noise. Try a sine sweep or a dedicated analyzer tool like VST Plugin Analizer (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1287.html) instead, and you'll find the frequency response is flat as a ruler. (In the meantime let me think about the technical reason for this, it's still early and I haven't even finished my first coffee yet. )Pule wrote:In mono everything sounds OK, but.... I checked center control with stereo white noise and FFT analyser. When I put center control to -3dB and 30', freq. response is +-10dB?! +-5dB above/below 2 kHz. When I put center control to zero and 90', freq. response is almost even.
Take care,
-- dj!
great tool thx
Now go and get that coffee I cannot even talk till Ive had 2 cups in the morning
and nothing less than Lavazza will do.
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 12 Dec, 2006
Anyone else getting a nasty crackling noise as soon as the plugin is opened? (AMD Athlon XP2800+(2.08Ghz), 1.5Gb RAM, Emu 1212m, ATI Radeon 9600XT, Cubase SX3)
(EDIT: please ignore - I've taken this to the 112db forum)
(EDIT: please ignore - I've taken this to the 112db forum)
Last edited by Frantiac on Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- 581 posts since 9 Jul, 2004
Interesting tool.
TBH I was a bit sceptical about this - I've tried a couple of other plugs that claim to do the same thing and I didn't find any of them particularly convincing (I didn't think much of that HDPHX thing, I'm afraid). I'm by no means an expert on monitoring, as I'd be the first to admit, but I think this is rather good.
It's crashed Reaper a couple of times, though. Nothing dramatic - no hanging, no BSOD - but sometimes when I instantiate the plug it closes Reaper instantly (Reaper v2.55, XP SP2, P4, as much RAM as I can cram in...) Impressively, Redline Monitor knows about this: when I re-start Reaper the plug brings up a dialogue box inviting me to report the problem. But my DAW isn't connected to the 'net - I use a different machine for surfing - so I can't
P.S. Nice to see a developer taking such an enlightened approach to the customer: simple, uninvasive copy-protection...decent demo period...
TBH I was a bit sceptical about this - I've tried a couple of other plugs that claim to do the same thing and I didn't find any of them particularly convincing (I didn't think much of that HDPHX thing, I'm afraid). I'm by no means an expert on monitoring, as I'd be the first to admit, but I think this is rather good.
It's crashed Reaper a couple of times, though. Nothing dramatic - no hanging, no BSOD - but sometimes when I instantiate the plug it closes Reaper instantly (Reaper v2.55, XP SP2, P4, as much RAM as I can cram in...) Impressively, Redline Monitor knows about this: when I re-start Reaper the plug brings up a dialogue box inviting me to report the problem. But my DAW isn't connected to the 'net - I use a different machine for surfing - so I can't
P.S. Nice to see a developer taking such an enlightened approach to the customer: simple, uninvasive copy-protection...decent demo period...
- KVRAF
- 3462 posts since 17 Sep, 2006 from Fredericksburg, VA USA
The plug crashed in Tracktion 3.0.4.8.
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