Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter
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- KVRAF
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
Hi Andy,
I also think the A/B and Prev/Next buttons would work better on the right hand side. Perhaps put the version number box where the current A/B is (makes sense next to the plugin name) and the menu icon to the left of the preset name field, and prev/next buttons to the right. Then A/B box, then oversampling amount, then CPU use...makes sense to have oversampling and CPU right next to each other too I think.
As for the modulation options. I think it would be best to have a global modulation disable button regardless of GUI state, ie, full or compact. And a dedicated GUI state switch for saving space whether modulation is active or not. I think those two requirements are mutually exclusive, and not a both-or-nothing situation.
I don't own The Drop yet, but have been demoing for some time and it's not a matter of IF I'll get it, but when. Awesome plugin!
Great to see it being constantly worked on and added to too.
I also think the A/B and Prev/Next buttons would work better on the right hand side. Perhaps put the version number box where the current A/B is (makes sense next to the plugin name) and the menu icon to the left of the preset name field, and prev/next buttons to the right. Then A/B box, then oversampling amount, then CPU use...makes sense to have oversampling and CPU right next to each other too I think.
As for the modulation options. I think it would be best to have a global modulation disable button regardless of GUI state, ie, full or compact. And a dedicated GUI state switch for saving space whether modulation is active or not. I think those two requirements are mutually exclusive, and not a both-or-nothing situation.
I don't own The Drop yet, but have been demoing for some time and it's not a matter of IF I'll get it, but when. Awesome plugin!
Great to see it being constantly worked on and added to too.
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
Why not just make a lite version then?andy-cytomic wrote:The use case is for an easy version, where these is no modulation so you can do basic automation tasks. Keeping all the modulation knobs there and active but there are no visible modulation sources would make things harder to understand, not easier!sqigls wrote:not disable. just hide
and just leave the mod controls there too
I don't see the point... "so you can do basic automation tasks?"
As in, so you can automate the cutoff frequency?
How does seeing less controls on the GUI allow a person to automate easier?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
This feature sounds like it isn't for you, just like it's not for me. For a lot of people the modulation section is way too advanced and visually intimidating - they either want to do static filtering, or map a controller to the cutoffs and turn knobs and record that, and anything else is overkill.sqigls wrote: Why not just make a lite version then?
I don't see the point... "so you can do basic automation tasks?"
As in, so you can automate the cutoff frequency?
How does seeing less controls on the GUI allow a person to automate easier?
edit: having a light version means I have to maintain two entire plugins, and perhaps one day the user may get brave and want to explore the modulation section, but then they will have to swap out one plugin and replace it with a different one. It's better just to have the same plugin but with an easy mode.
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The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
- KVRAF
- 13224 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
andy-cytomic wrote:This feature sounds like it isn't for you, just like it's not for me. For a lot of people the modulation section is way to advanced and visually intimidating - they either want to do static filtering, or map a controller to the cutoffs and turn knobs and record that, and anything else is overkill.sqigls wrote: Why not just make a lite version then?
I don't see the point... "so you can do basic automation tasks?"
As in, so you can automate the cutoff frequency?
How does seeing less controls on the GUI allow a person to automate easier?
edit: having a light version means I have to maintain two entire plugins, and perhaps one day the user may get brave and want to explore the modulation section, but then they will have to swap out one plugin and replace it with a different one. It's better just to have the same plugin but with an easy mode.
I am exactly one of those you speak of.....and yes an easy mode would be appreciated.
rsp
sound sculptist
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
Thanks for the suggestions about the top bar. I'll have a look at all the plugins and see how it fits in with all of them. I agree that the version number is better nearer the name, but I'm going to ditch that and add undo / redo buttons instead, so that will change anyway.xalama qo wrote:Hi Andy,
I also think the A/B and Prev/Next buttons would work better on the right hand side. Perhaps put the version number box where the current A/B is (makes sense next to the plugin name) and the menu icon to the left of the preset name field, and prev/next buttons to the right. Then A/B box, then oversampling amount, then CPU use...makes sense to have oversampling and CPU right next to each other too I think.
As for the modulation options. I think it would be best to have a global modulation disable button regardless of GUI state, ie, full or compact. And a dedicated GUI state switch for saving space whether modulation is active or not. I think those two requirements are mutually exclusive, and not a both-or-nothing situation.
I don't own The Drop yet, but have been demoing for some time and it's not a matter of IF I'll get it, but when. Awesome plugin!
Great to see it being constantly worked on and added to too.
For clarity I will not allow contracting of the modulation section if modulation is active, otherwise you have things changing the sound you cannot see! I could add an option to a menu that says "keep expanded" so when you set the MOD button off you still have the full gui, but that's it. The other way around, to collapse the modulators when they are still active, is not an option.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
Awesome, I'd love to hear from you. How does the image I posted look to you when MOD is off? Is that a small enough footprint and headprint?zvenx wrote: I am exactly one of those you speak of.....and yes an easy mode would be appreciated.
rsp
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
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- KVRist
- 221 posts since 24 Apr, 2004
Too bad because collapse the modulation panel while still active is exactly the unique function I need...andy-cytomic wrote: For clarity I will not allow contracting of the modulation section if modulation is active, otherwise you have things changing the sound you cannot see! I could add an option to a menu that says "keep expanded" so when you set the MOD button off you still have the full gui, but that's it. The other way around, to collapse the modulators when they are still active, is not an option.
- KVRAF
- 13224 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
andy-cytomic wrote:Awesome, I'd love to hear from you. How does the image I posted look to you when MOD is off? Is that a small enough footprint and headprint?zvenx wrote: I am exactly one of those you speak of.....and yes an easy mode would be appreciated.
rsp
Honestly? the first row, and the first column 2nd row is all I need most times...
if you were to ask me which competitor has a gui that for me fits the best?
https://sugar-bytes.de/storage/app/medi ... 60x980.jpg
rsp
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- KVRAF
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
Hi Andy, thanks for your response
IIRC a yellow line/s illustrates the LFO movement in the LCD display area when "something's happening" right? Isn't this enough of an indicator that modulation is active to avoid confusion in a compact GUI? Anyway, I respect your choices regarding the way forward
IIRC a yellow line/s illustrates the LFO movement in the LCD display area when "something's happening" right? Isn't this enough of an indicator that modulation is active to avoid confusion in a compact GUI? Anyway, I respect your choices regarding the way forward
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
The shift knob and wide mode are critical to a one knob DJ filter setup, and the glide smoothing is also critical to get the right amount of smoothing on automation, so those controls will stay as removing them doesn't decrease the size of the gui anyway and would really cripple the functionality for an easy mode.zvenx wrote:andy-cytomic wrote:Awesome, I'd love to hear from you. How does the image I posted look to you when MOD is off? Is that a small enough footprint and headprint?zvenx wrote: I am exactly one of those you speak of.....and yes an easy mode would be appreciated.
rsp
Honestly? the first row, and the first column 2nd row is all I need most times...
if you were to ask me which competitor has a gui that for me fits the best?
https://sugar-bytes.de/storage/app/medi ... 60x980.jpg
rsp
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
You have the right to use each license on two machines simultaneously. You can authorise 3 machines per year automatically, which should be enough to cover reasonable use of purchasing new computers. Each authorisation is tied to the motherboard of the computer and I use metrics that are as robust as possible so you should be fine formatting a machine and re-installing from scratch the same operating system. If you ever run into issues running a single license on two of your personal machines then please email and we can issue another one to cover you until the next year rolls around, when you get three more anyway. If you are trying to maintain three or more machines with a single license then issues will could arise with authorisation counts, you really need two or more licenses to cover this situationVertion wrote:Andy,
If a user has to refresh their computer to the manufacturer default to fix an issue, and reinstall all Cytomic's wonderful products. Does it count against the user to re-activate it on the same machine?
My computer is getting old. There are 2 old laptops here (mine and my wife), but I only installed it on mine, as I'm not sure if it's per seat (one computer) or per user (all computers)? I don't use her machine, but they are both performing in our humble tiny studio with their own products. I'm asking as a general question, but my situation might be unique. Should I email directly in these situations? I'm supposing you are a very busy man, given the extremely high quality of your products. I honor licenses, so I thought it would be prudent to ask.
V
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
- Banned
- 697 posts since 29 Oct, 2016
Andy,
Thank you for the quick reply. This is why I love your ace products: a guru at what you do, and abundantly kind to your customers. If you ever start a class on how to run a successful leading software company, I will be the first to sign up. Later.
V
Thank you for the quick reply. This is why I love your ace products: a guru at what you do, and abundantly kind to your customers. If you ever start a class on how to run a successful leading software company, I will be the first to sign up. Later.
V
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- KVRAF
- 2225 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
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