we voiced our criticisms, the developer responded the way he felt was the most appropriate, now someone isn't happy because developer was sane enough to suggest that maybe the price was indeed a bit too high. the usual.xamido wrote:What are you guys getting mad of? Now that the price is lowered i'll try it and if i like it i'll buy it.
TrackSpacer - First plugin by Wavesfactory
- KVRAF
- 4433 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
NiceCrackbaby wrote:By the way, no sketchy working knobs here, they worked perfectly and felt very responsive.
works ok in all my hosts as well
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
cool! the price is okay now!
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- Waaaaahhh
- 2224 posts since 30 Jul, 2001 from montreal, quebec,canada
the demo youtube video is really a cool. the plugin works. To be faire this concept isnt new.
though you have to be a experienced Mix engineer to pull it off
with EQ,compressors and side-chaining.
Turn it on, twiddle the knobs find the sweet-spot, DONE!
Mac versions yay
though you have to be a experienced Mix engineer to pull it off
with EQ,compressors and side-chaining.
Turn it on, twiddle the knobs find the sweet-spot, DONE!
Mac versions yay
If your plugin is a Synth-edit/synth-maker creation, Say So.
If not Make a Mac version of your Plugins Please.
https://soundcloud.com/realmarco
...everyone is out to get me!!!!!!!
If not Make a Mac version of your Plugins Please.
https://soundcloud.com/realmarco
...everyone is out to get me!!!!!!!
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- KVRAF
- 1753 posts since 30 Jul, 2007
Would a full band Side Chain Compressor achieve the same results?
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- KVRAF
- 3231 posts since 18 May, 2003 from Sweden
The basic principle is dynamic EQing, isn't it? So, a multi band side chain comp might, if it has enough bands.vaisnava wrote:Would a full band Side Chain Compressor achieve the same results?
/Joachim
If it were easy, anybody could do it!
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
meh, I feel that depending on a tool for this kind of fundamental mixing stuff is a bit unwise, but then I'm the kind of guy that hasn't made hardly any music, doesn't take himself seriously, and likes to learn how to fish for himself.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
Why is it unwise? If i flip it around, what tools are wise to depend on?
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
Fishing poles, apparently.
"You don’t expect much beyond a gaping, misspelled void when you stare into the cold dark place that is Internet comments."
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 393 posts since 12 May, 2010
Trackspacer is a 0 latency solution. Furthermore I'm not sure Elevayta is a 100% transparent solution (this has to be tested) when no reduction is asked, which Trasckspacer is. And of course, Trackspacer is faraway more simple and quick to use (I don't speek of mac rtas/au and maybe AAX solution)Selfik wrote:Elevayta Space Boy does this and has more features for only $29.95
http://www.elevayta.net/product4.htm
- Wavesfactory.
https://www.wavesfactory.com
https://www.wavesfactory.com
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Since I'm now muted, I don't need to answer this.maxxxter wrote:Great, consider yourself muted then.
Then again, it's sad really... dunno if you ever learned something of my tech-posts. Whatever, doesn't matter...
Yes I have tried it, and I did like it's concept (I also hard artifact issues btw). But I never needed it since I use my ears and sutiable EQs, or sidechain compression (ducking) instead.maxxxter wrote: What? Have you even tried Space Boy? It has considerably more features! Even a proper spectrum display! Also, the internal link system is, IMO, a much better way of implementing this idea, especially given that setting-up a vst 2.4 'native sidechaining' in some hosts causes real headache. Btw, different format/platform support does not make it 'more current', at least not in my book.
The same could be said for half of KVR.maxxxter wrote:So, you admit to speaking nonsense?
Thanks, I thought so.
Said it before: I don't feel adressed by this.
Again, same could be said about the likes of "you" as well.maxxxter wrote:You have a VERY selective perception of what's being said here, only to suit your own views, of course. I completely disagree with you here; points made by people so far are valid and...
Who should watch his/her language?maxxxter wrote:First of all - I'm not your dog, so watch your language!
Secondly, if you have the right to "express yourself" here, the rest of us have that same right too. I'll speak my mind whenever I feel is appropriate.
Now please do a barrel roll - press R twice.
Oh sorry - wrong game.
Do you imply that? Cause I don't think I ever said it.Burillo wrote:yes. overpriced - fewer sales, less support, good chance of having less revenue. right price - more sales, more support, good chance of having more revenue. vicious circle, god dammit. the point isn't that the price is high. the point is that it's too high for a lot of people (at least in this thread) to consider purchasing it. WavesFactory could have stood his ground, and as i said, i wouldn't object to that. are you saying i can't state my own opinion that the price is (well, was) too high for me to consider purchasing it?
I critisized the way how it was adressed. And you seemed to be one of the more reasonable ones out there.
Sorry, but it's not.Burillo wrote:i'm sorry, but what are you talking about? just do a search on "overpriced" on KVR, you'll see LOADS of complaining about different established developers - IK Multimedia, Steinberg, Waves, etc. etc. This is obvious bullshit on your part.
Agreed, IKM is constantly being critisized about their prices, but they also do constant sales. Steinberg is critisized due to their overpriced plugins (see Yamaha and Neve) not to mention upgrade cycles - but people shell out the money. Waves recently dropped all their prices, but is still critisized due to the WUP plan (which is optional).
I do know the other way around as well. Linplug, while they were still in their beginnings - often critisized for their way of doing things - especially CP schemes, not necessarily price. Klanghelm was critisized for his already low prices to begin with, yet it was still to expensive for certain people. SKnote (I still consider him independent) recently dropped ALL his prices - he was also critisized before.
And the prime example from most recent days:
B.A.Tech - high prices for SE/SM standard modules, crazy marketing, crap page. He now dropped everything and turned freeware.
Or do I need to bring up Crysonic as well? The prime exampe of how not to do it, ever? Yes don't think so.
To some extend - yes.Burillo wrote:so you're saying more sales at a good price cannot bring more revenue than less sales at a higher price?
This is their opinion to do so, and I know that certain developers from that bunch would love to get paid, or get donations. Then again, these tools aren't cracked.Burillo wrote:ah, yes, that old bullshit story about piracy and how no one will create anything anymore if X or Y happens. tell that to bootsy, lepou, and ignite amps and all the other great plugin developers that release free plugins rivalling the best commercial ones.[/b]
Regarding "not creating anything anymore" - take a dive through KVR's backlog with this topic. Due to this, certain developers lost interest in releasing new tools, or went on to high class CP systems (which in turn is then critisized).
It's a give/take situation here.
I only try to stand in for the developer here.
Apparently people love free candy, er I mean "low priced" tools - so everyone is happy. Why continuing this debate then? I said it earlier - excellent work, "community".
One of the reasons why I don't like KVR - but I live with it, because it's one of the only great plugin based discussion boards out there. And I know it can be better than this.
To WavesFactory:
Good luck with your plugin. While I personally don't need such a solution (I'm using dynamic EQ's, sidechained solutions or simply my ears), I'm sure some will get a use out of it.
I rather have an eye on your samples for the time being.
Have a good day, everyone.
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Jul, 2010 from Germany
What makes a price fair? If a product is one of a kind then the producer can price it anyway he wants but what if there is Competition?
You can see it the car business, CPUs business and you can definitely see it in software business, or in our case plug-in/sample business.
The price also depends on the market the producer wants to hit and the market share he wants to achieve.
@Compifox, from what i read from you, you use Wavesfactory's sample packs, why is that? Quality? sure. Price? (I won't answer this one for you.)
Maybe Wavesfactory isn't targeting so much the 'Pros' with this plug-in but instead the amateurs and the hobbyists and set the price accordingly.
My 2c.
You can see it the car business, CPUs business and you can definitely see it in software business, or in our case plug-in/sample business.
The price also depends on the market the producer wants to hit and the market share he wants to achieve.
@Compifox, from what i read from you, you use Wavesfactory's sample packs, why is that? Quality? sure. Price? (I won't answer this one for you.)
Maybe Wavesfactory isn't targeting so much the 'Pros' with this plug-in but instead the amateurs and the hobbyists and set the price accordingly.
My 2c.
- KVRAF
- 4433 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
OK i'm done flaming. no one has ever won an argument on an Internet.
WavesFactory however has earned a few more goodwill points in my eyes i already have a few sample libraries, maybe if i like this plugin enough i'll buy it too. while everything it does can be achieved by other means, sometimes i'm just lazy my demo hasn't expired yet so...
WavesFactory however has earned a few more goodwill points in my eyes i already have a few sample libraries, maybe if i like this plugin enough i'll buy it too. while everything it does can be achieved by other means, sometimes i'm just lazy my demo hasn't expired yet so...
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
Having easy tools lets creativity and energy be spent elsewhere
I see there's a stereo input and then two mono, or have i misunderstood it?
I see there's a stereo input and then two mono, or have i misunderstood it?
- KVRAF
- 2134 posts since 11 Oct, 2007 from Almanya
Made my day!Compyfox wrote:Now please do a barrel roll - press R twice.
I don't work here, I just feed the trolls.
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