Best DAW to start teaching kids music production?
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letthedogdrive letthedogdrive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=101333
- KVRist
- 108 posts since 12 Mar, 2006 from CT
ACID, very intuitive .
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- KVRist
- 256 posts since 1 Nov, 2005
maybe, but imo, that's a classic kind of underestimating children.careyletendre wrote:Nice try people however your suggestions are laughable:
Super Duper Music Looper is actually made for children.
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joeinternet327 joeinternet327 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=285711
- KVRist
- 72 posts since 8 Aug, 2012
Why not?engine wrote:music basics ->
but please dont touch reason. no! dont ask why...
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- KVRAF
- 6155 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 5066 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Didn't you read the Reason warning to keep Cables away from children?joeinternet327 wrote:Why not?engine wrote:music basics ->
but please dont touch reason. no! dont ask why...
MuLab-Reaper of course
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- KVRian
- 786 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
As some one who teaches kids guitar, I'm going to suggest fl studio.
In fl studio, it is easy to get something fun and pleasing happening very quickly. And this is what you want with kids. Then you can slowly work them into the more advanced features.. and there are plenty of those.
Bottom line is, they'll have a cool beat going in no time, and that will keep them interested. I can't think of any other program that will give you results that fast.
If you do start them on FL studio, show them how to make a little beat in the step sequencer.. don't even worry about the piano roll at first. Load up a couple of monophonic vsti's and they can easily program melodies as well.
Once they've been doing this a few weeks, introduce them to some of the more advanced features. (piano roll, maybe even a little synthesis).
How old are these kids anyway? there's a big difference between 7 and 12...
In fl studio, it is easy to get something fun and pleasing happening very quickly. And this is what you want with kids. Then you can slowly work them into the more advanced features.. and there are plenty of those.
Bottom line is, they'll have a cool beat going in no time, and that will keep them interested. I can't think of any other program that will give you results that fast.
If you do start them on FL studio, show them how to make a little beat in the step sequencer.. don't even worry about the piano roll at first. Load up a couple of monophonic vsti's and they can easily program melodies as well.
Once they've been doing this a few weeks, introduce them to some of the more advanced features. (piano roll, maybe even a little synthesis).
How old are these kids anyway? there's a big difference between 7 and 12...
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- KVRAF
- 2367 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
I agree with what stillshaded says, and the age makes a big difference. As will the number of kids you're teaching at once. You can get more in-depth and direct with 2 kids than you can with a class of 25.stillshaded wrote:How old are these kids anyway? there's a big difference between 7 and 12...
And what sort of equipment will they have? 1 kid to a computer? Do they have a musical keyboard?
I also agree that you shouldn't underestimate kids. They can pick up new things really quickly if they're interested - it's often much harder as an adult. As stillshaded says, to get them interested they need to get almost immediate results, especially when they're younger.
Something like FL has the advantage that you can program a basic drum loop in about 20 seconds. It'll take you about that much time to show them how to program a four to the floor bass drum part, which they can then start playing by hitting space to get almost instant rewards. A piano roll is nice for musicians, but getting a basic beat going in the piano roll is much less intuitive at the beginning than a step sequencer.
A beat is also probably the best place to start - the concept of rhythm is innate so non-musicians can relate to it. Writing melodies is not as easy and may just cause frustration as the first step.
You could of course set up a template project in any host, but you really want the kids to be able to immediately jump in and just start making a noise - and to let them experiment on their own. Anything that takes half an hour just to explain what they need to do will bore most kids to tears, so you'll lose them.
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- KVRian
- 803 posts since 20 Aug, 2005 from Ann Arbor, MI
Six months ago, I'd have said Acid Xpress (which is still a pretty good choice). But now, I'll say StageLight.
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- KVRian
- 1336 posts since 21 Dec, 2004
Wow. That's really cool. I started my son on Acid Music and then got Ableton Live lite, but that looks more teaching oriented for beginners. Ableton has lessons too, but that StageLight program is really inexpensive.filkertom wrote:Six months ago, I'd have said Acid Xpress (which is still a pretty good choice). But now, I'll say StageLight.
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- KVRian
- 803 posts since 20 Aug, 2005 from Ann Arbor, MI
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- KVRAF
- 2864 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
A piano,manuscript paper and a pencil...
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- KVRAF
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- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
At what age would be good to try and introduce music making/playing to a kid?sjm wrote:I agree with what stillshaded says, and the age makes a big difference. As will the number of kids you're teaching at once. You can get more in-depth and direct with 2 kids than you can with a class of 25.stillshaded wrote:How old are these kids anyway? there's a big difference between 7 and 12...
Often they need a bit of encouragement to get going. Best tactic is maybe to start learning the basics of an instrument like piano/guitar, before firing up the computer studio?
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- 8182 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
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- KVRAF
- 1782 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
Ableton Live is soo easy it's drag and drop and only shows what you need to use at the time. The lite version comes with many midi controllers so it's a no brainer if you are yet to buy a midi controller.