The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread
- KVRAF
- 4633 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
according to this, it cost 299$ and was only available for OS9 to that time..
http://mixonline.com/products/review/au ... on_live_2/
compared to that, and to what bitwig has to offer from version 1 i think the price is pretty fair yes.
see this for a review of features back then.
http://www.audiomac.net/audiomac_archiv ... _live.html
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http://mixonline.com/products/review/au ... on_live_2/
compared to that, and to what bitwig has to offer from version 1 i think the price is pretty fair yes.
see this for a review of features back then.
http://www.audiomac.net/audiomac_archiv ... _live.html
the internet forgets nothing
- KVRAF
- 4633 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
Live 2 was $399. Had no VST instruments or instruments of it's own.
https://www.ableton.com/en/pages/2002/l ... ouncement/
Of course you can't really compare prices now to then. Absynth used to cost about that as well, maybe 349.
Bitwig's price is very fair though.
https://www.ableton.com/en/pages/2002/l ... ouncement/
Of course you can't really compare prices now to then. Absynth used to cost about that as well, maybe 349.
Bitwig's price is very fair though.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Yes. Though I'm not going to post the next big hit, what I've been able to do in live has been amazing. Push of course I'm new to, but so far it's also been worth what I paid.Suloo wrote:so you mean live 9 suite is worth every penny?
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 23 Aug, 2011
What I really like about Ableton is the way they listen to their customers. It's only been a few years, and they've still not fixed the PDC bug. In fact I believe they changed it from a bug to a feature request, wasn't that nice of them?Suloo wrote:so you mean live 9 suite is worth every penny?
- KVRAF
- 25459 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
It is a feature request and not a bug. Live PDC is functioning as intended.virtualmark wrote:What I really like about Ableton is the way they listen to their customers. It's only been a few years, and they've still not fixed the PDC bug. In fact I believe they changed it from a bug to a feature request, wasn't that nice of them?Suloo wrote:so you mean live 9 suite is worth every penny?
- KVRAF
- 4633 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
cannot be that dramatic when it took so long for people to recognize imo..
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 23 Aug, 2011
That's what I just said. But they changed it to that a while after the bug was reported.pdxindy wrote:It is a feature request and not a bug. Live PDC is functioning as intended.virtualmark wrote:What I really like about Ableton is the way they listen to their customers. It's only been a few years, and they've still not fixed the PDC bug. In fact I believe they changed it from a bug to a feature request, wasn't that nice of them?Suloo wrote:so you mean live 9 suite is worth every penny?
I don't know what sort of music you make, but to most people, timing is important. It is a bug.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Sometimes I wonder if this even applies to me or not with how I use live. I don't feel that there is a problem but then again I don't use the arrangement view much. I generally prefer to export my files and work in studio one if I want to get into automation and the like.
- KVRAF
- 25459 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
virtualmark wrote:That's what I just said. But they changed it to that a while after the bug was reported.pdxindy wrote:It is a feature request and not a bug. Live PDC is functioning as intended.virtualmark wrote:What I really like about Ableton is the way they listen to their customers. It's only been a few years, and they've still not fixed the PDC bug. In fact I believe they changed it from a bug to a feature request, wasn't that nice of them?Suloo wrote:so you mean live 9 suite is worth every penny?
I don't know what sort of music you make, but to most people, timing is important. It is a bug.
Live has no PDC functionality for automation. Never has. It is a feature that has not yet been implemented. Just as there is no support for PolyAT, Sysex, 3rd party midi plugins before an instrument and so on. To some people, a score editor is important and Live does not have that either.
I guess some people (perhaps yourself) insist on calling it a bug because they think it may shame Ableton into adding that feature quicker. I doubt that is useful.
I'm still curious about PDC in Bitwig. I know there have been some assurances from a few users that it is working, but I have not read of any specific tests to make sure it is handling automation and plugins with latency... particularly 3rd party plugins.
Until I read about some specific tests done, I'm prepared for some issues to be there.
- KVRAF
- 4633 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 6214 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
This is a little misleading. Most other DAWs I can think of do not have issues with automation being out of sync with their audio PDC etc. I do not recall full disclosure when Ableton implemented PDC in the first place that Automation would remain affected by plug in delay etc? In fact I'm dead certain they didn't mention that. With that in mind this "feature request" can be called a bug, although I would call it a glaring omission.pdxindy wrote: Live has no PDC functionality for automation. Never has. It is a feature that has not yet been implemented. Just as there is no support for PolyAT, Sysex, 3rd party midi plugins before an instrument and so on. To some people, a score editor is important and Live does not have that either.
I guess some people (perhaps yourself) insist on calling it a bug because they think it may shame Ableton into adding that feature quicker. I doubt that is useful.
This is also one of those bugs that is more of a problem depending on how you work. Often I don't flesh out details of a sound before I'm done writing, so Automation comes after I've added almost all the plug ins I'll use, hence no automation issues.
All the guys doing simple but heavily processed House etc. tend to build up a sound after automating various parts, then the bug is a PITA.
- KVRAF
- 2562 posts since 1 Oct, 2013
I can see why some would call it a bug, if I'm understanding it all. If you're given a musical grid to draw automation in that the automation snaps to it pretty much implies that that is what you are going to hear, and apparently it isn't so.