KVR Audio

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:57 pm

So still nothing on an upgrade path from M4L 6 to M4L 7?

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:06 pm

The push improvements also seem great. The two main things Ive been waiting for, an AT threshold and using the touchstrip as modwheel, have finally been implemented. Have to give it a run tonight

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:12 pm

chroma wrote:so, my initial testing seems to confirm the automation fixes, but not the midi synced effects.

just realized i should really put this in the ableton beta forum... so i will do that instead. just the summary gents...

still a huge step forward... a big thanks to the ableton guys for finally taking this on!

what do you guys mean when you say "midi synced effects" ?

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:20 pm

That's the most important thing to me to know if it's fixed. Midi synced effects like Lfotool from Xfer Records (sidehchain tool), or pattern based filter effects and such. Basically anything that needs accurate tempo information. As it is currently they get out of sync if you add latency plug-ins to the same chain.

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:30 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:That's the most important thing to me to know if it's fixed. Midi synced effects like Lfotool from Xfer Records (sidehchain tool), or pattern based filter effects and such. Basically anything that needs accurate tempo information. As it is currently they get out of sync if you add latency plug-ins to the same chain.

If you put LFO tool first in the chain, is it ok then, regardless of what comes after it ?

skyliner.dnb · Post by **skyliner.dnb** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:32 pm

Got this on LFO (Midi synced effects) compensation.

"Hello there, please note that while automation is now fully compensated, devices which sync to the Transport (Auto Filter, Auto Pan, Beat Repeat) are not, thus these modulations will be off if the device is at a point in the chain after a device introducing latency.

Best regards,
Marco"

garryknight · Post by **garryknight** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:33 pm

Given the number of feature requests they haven't included this time, I'm betting that version 10 is going to be humongous.

Oh, and we want mayo with our tuner...

OzoneJunkie · Post by **OzoneJunkie** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:43 pm

I wonder if we'll ever get this:

automation snap-able to grid
automation quantizable

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:01 pm

Haha, so they got part way there. They say:
"Automation and Modulation are now fully latency compensated"

And yet:

skyliner.dnb wrote:Got this on LFO (Midi synced effects) compensation.

"Hello there, please note that while automation is now fully compensated, devices which sync to the Transport (Auto Filter, Auto Pan, Beat Repeat) are not, thus these modulations will be off if the device is at a point in the chain after a device introducing latency.

Best regards,
Marco"

This is the other side of the coin. Rhythmic devices will still be off. Still glad to be with Bitwig!

But hey at least they are making progress for those poor Live users.

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:15 pm

Plenty of third party plugins out there made by people who spend all their time on one plugin instead of an entire DAW.

sprnva · Post by **sprnva** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:48 pm

Nice. I buy Live Suite a month ago and now they drop support for OS X 10.6

rentboyrenton · Post by **rentboyrenton** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:11 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Haha, so they got part way there. They say:

This is the other side of the coin. Rhythmic devices will still be off. Still glad to be with Bitwig!

But hey at least they are making progress for those poor Live users.

laugh as much as you want but this is big if they fix the pdc issues completely

i know a few people who will be getting back to live, myself included

Deep Purple · Post by **Deep Purple** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:21 pm

OzoneJunkie wrote:I wonder if we'll ever get this:

automation snap-able to grid
automation quantizable

I would like to see some improvements to automation. In particular I'd like to see the ability to use predefined automation envelopes like sine waves, square waves, saws, etc.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:39 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Haha, so they got part way there. They say:
"Automation and Modulation are now fully latency compensated"

And yet:
skyliner.dnb wrote:Got this on LFO (Midi synced effects) compensation.

"Hello there, please note that while automation is now fully compensated, devices which sync to the Transport (Auto Filter, Auto Pan, Beat Repeat) are not, thus these modulations will be off if the device is at a point in the chain after a device introducing latency.

Best regards,
Marco"
This is the other side of the coin. Rhythmic devices will still be off.

well that sucks

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:02 pm

One other thing Im noticing, immensely sped up startup times. The first time I loaded the beta it seemed to take the usual amount on my system. However subsequent loads are very fast, like FL and bitwig fast (those 2 for me have always seemed the fastest), and at this point its faster than BW

Live 9.2 in beta. Latency compensation fixes, and legacy OSes dropped