I have been checking out jazz video tutorials from Dave Frank, Kent Hewitt, etc. I recently discovered the jazz pianist/vocalist Aimee Nolte who advises musicians to first closely listen; then sing the root, harmony and rhythms; then play the chords and melody; and only then learn the theory.
Its the traditional approach that older jazz musicians used before real/fake books, and she breaks down the basics quite well. This video shows how she uses that approach to figure out chords:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imj7Fni ... u6&index=3
and another informal chat/demo on jazz scales:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRUGz6HGkI
More on http://aimeenolte.com/teaching-music
Jazz Tutorials
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- KVRAF
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
Pretty much sums up how you learn music naturally - i.e. if you ignore formal education. "Theory" being being able to talk about ideas about something, the rest actually about doing it, with listening (so that you learn from the listening) at the basis. I'll check out the videos laterfirst closely listen; then sing the root, harmony and rhythms; then play the chords and melody; and only then learn the theory.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4821 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Yep. It's an art to 'formally teach' how to 'learn naturally' as we did when we were children, fearlessly exploring the world with all our senses!pljones wrote:Pretty much sums up how you learn music naturally - i.e. if you ignore formal education.
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- KVRAF
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
I had to laugh at the "I don't want to talk about the meter" -- some songs, it really isn't the point
I shall skip the latter part of the second video and thank my choice as being a drummer!! (Yes, I can sing my scales...)
I shall skip the latter part of the second video and thank my choice as being a drummer!! (Yes, I can sing my scales...)
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
That's just garbage, on top of you doing absolutely nothing towards the topic.
Jazz could be sitting on one note and essentially modal, it could be a whole lot of functional harmony ii-V towards any chord as if a I, it can be serial dodecaphonic writing, it can be that mixed with functional harmony...
all of these come under 'music theory', genius.
but it's like this "formal", "structurally robust" is supposed to perform tricks in your sentence to make you seem like you know. Who you kidding, do you think.
I figured things out by ear, finding intervals via singing, years before I had 'theory' in a community college course.
That course was not discussing ideas up above practice, it was mostly part-writing, if anything musical trade school, all practice. But I pretty much recommend ear before roman numbers and function et cetera.
Knowing the thing, the intervals thru singing is... the usual way, actually.
Jazz could be sitting on one note and essentially modal, it could be a whole lot of functional harmony ii-V towards any chord as if a I, it can be serial dodecaphonic writing, it can be that mixed with functional harmony...
all of these come under 'music theory', genius.
but it's like this "formal", "structurally robust" is supposed to perform tricks in your sentence to make you seem like you know. Who you kidding, do you think.
I figured things out by ear, finding intervals via singing, years before I had 'theory' in a community college course.
That course was not discussing ideas up above practice, it was mostly part-writing, if anything musical trade school, all practice. But I pretty much recommend ear before roman numbers and function et cetera.
Knowing the thing, the intervals thru singing is... the usual way, actually.
