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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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- 2121 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
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fateamenabletochange fateamenabletochange https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8029
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- 3059 posts since 13 Jul, 2003 from outer rim
either/or is silly, get them all, leaving just one out would leave too big a deficit
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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No u aint alone , even though I've only made it into great mode , I prefer draft over great for most sounds , except for basses .
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- KVRAF
- 11190 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Diva sounds good to me in Draft mode! I definately cant tell the difference between good and devine.
Imposcar 2 also sounds great, as does the arturia SEM V.
Hardware is always tewmpting, but the reality is, by the time you have 'digitised' that anologue Prophet 08 in to you DAW and mixed it, you probably wont be able to tell it started life as a real instrument.
Incidently, I just got REASON 6 yesterday (had 3 kicking around for ages and hadnt upgraded)- some of the best sounding VA I have heard with the combiner (mainly using THOR) at a very low CPU cost- check it out, it has a great demo version and download somew of the free combiner refills (moog, try 'nightclub series 4 combinor pads, woth it for the 'blakes 7 patch )
Imposcar 2 also sounds great, as does the arturia SEM V.
Hardware is always tewmpting, but the reality is, by the time you have 'digitised' that anologue Prophet 08 in to you DAW and mixed it, you probably wont be able to tell it started life as a real instrument.
Incidently, I just got REASON 6 yesterday (had 3 kicking around for ages and hadnt upgraded)- some of the best sounding VA I have heard with the combiner (mainly using THOR) at a very low CPU cost- check it out, it has a great demo version and download somew of the free combiner refills (moog, try 'nightclub series 4 combinor pads, woth it for the 'blakes 7 patch )
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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The difference is only audible with high filter resonance, where "Divine" has less noise in the resonance than "Great". Otherwise Great and Divine are identical. Thus, for most times, there's hardly any difference.jacqueslacouth wrote:However, for all the talk about the difference (or where it really shines) in Divine mode, I have to be honest, I'm just not hearing it.
"Fast" may exhibit a bit more aliasing than Great, but it's good enough for soft sounds with little to no distortion.
Draft is, well, not as balanced as the other modes, e.g. the volume of self oscillation does not correspond well to the analogue counterparts. It's still up there with other digital synths, quality wise.
Urs
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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- 11190 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Just out of interest, can you suggest a patch and a knob to tweak where the difference may be audible to an uncouth (guitarists) ears like mine; I bought Diva and just like the way it sounds and works, but I am curious to try and hear what others hear......now if you want to talk valve ampsUrs wrote:The difference is only audible with high filter resonance, where "Divine" has less noise in the resonance than "Great". Otherwise Great and Divine are identical. Thus, for most times, there's hardly any difference.jacqueslacouth wrote:However, for all the talk about the difference (or where it really shines) in Divine mode, I have to be honest, I'm just not hearing it.
"Fast" may exhibit a bit more aliasing than Great, but it's good enough for soft sounds with little to no distortion.
Draft is, well, not as balanced as the other modes, e.g. the volume of self oscillation does not correspond well to the analogue counterparts. It's still up there with other digital synths, quality wise.
Urs
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- 25450 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
jacqueslacouth wrote:May well be why I'm not getting it. I tend to play very middle of the keyboard, hooverish leads and thick bass sounds mixed with guitars and drums. Not tweaking the hell out of the filter res/cut off EDM thing...much more of a straight player with only the occasional and subtle tweaks live, however I do like to use a variety of patches within one song and I find it easier to do this in HW....glad I'm not just missing some significant point that everyone else is getting though.
For some presets there is no significant difference and you may as well use the lower settings and save cpu.
It is really with high resonance and the Cross Mod/FM where you will hear a meaningful difference with Divine mode. Also extreme modulations will stand up better. Various basses will sound more coherent in Great or Divine as well.
Turn up the noise, add crossmod or filterFM and some resonance and do some modulation. The noise in Diva stays coherent and musical and doesn't turn into fuzz. For example:
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-12.wav
It may be that if you do not hear a difference that matters to you, that you do not need to get an expensive analog either (no offense meant).
As for the original request, if money is no concern, get all of them!
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
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- 14992 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
As a Prophet '08 and Slim Phatty owner, I can say that these two synths sound very different than DiVA and have a pretty different feature set. So, even if you go to the analog v digital debate, it's kind of moot in this case because you're just talking about things that are too different in the first place. So, I own DiVA as well (yes Urs, I'm putting the VA in caps, because it pains me you missed out on such a slam-dunk marketing trick ) because, well I just like to have a lot of options.
But back to the a/b comparison, as Urs said you don't hear much more of an increase in quality in divine mode unless you're using a high resonance sound, and in all honesty, that's where DiVA and all software does tend to trip up. There's a cherpiness in the DSI filter that I haven't heard in any software. A "wooliness" when you make a big pad that doesn't seem possible in software. There's a sweetness in the Phatty filter that I don't hear in software either. Also, DiVA doesn't even try to emulate an overloaded filter stage, which to me is half the fun of the Phatty. Maybe it's me, but I still also feel there's a basic weight and presence in analog that software does't quite pull off either.
So, if you have the cash, get the Prophet/Phatty combo. You can't go wrong there. Later, when you're hanker'n to mix and match modules from yesteryear in ways not possible in the real world, get that too.
But back to the a/b comparison, as Urs said you don't hear much more of an increase in quality in divine mode unless you're using a high resonance sound, and in all honesty, that's where DiVA and all software does tend to trip up. There's a cherpiness in the DSI filter that I haven't heard in any software. A "wooliness" when you make a big pad that doesn't seem possible in software. There's a sweetness in the Phatty filter that I don't hear in software either. Also, DiVA doesn't even try to emulate an overloaded filter stage, which to me is half the fun of the Phatty. Maybe it's me, but I still also feel there's a basic weight and presence in analog that software does't quite pull off either.
So, if you have the cash, get the Prophet/Phatty combo. You can't go wrong there. Later, when you're hanker'n to mix and match modules from yesteryear in ways not possible in the real world, get that too.
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