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chk071 wrote: Hink wrote: I dislike both labels, when it comes to personal taste who is to judge the feelings of others. The best advertising imo is word of mouth...I trust mt contemporaries opinions much more than that of marketing experts and when people are enthusiastic spreading the word is showing your respect to both the company that makes the product and your peers looking for advice. What i certainly don't get is what a review based on experience, like me comparing my hosts in terms of CPU efficiency, has to do with taste at all. If i do a comparison, host A, B and C, if all hosts are running at same sample rate, ASIO driver settings and overall make sure i have nearly similar environment. Then i check which host is booting up the quickest, check, when the program is running, how much CPU and RAM it consumes, then load up a fairly CPU consuming plugin (in my case Tyrell N6), play the same sound and check how the VST performance is. The result i present has nothing at all to do with taste but with my personal experience on which is most system efficient host. On my computer of course. Then i go to KVR forum, post my experience, see that (wow a miracle!) many other came to the same conclusion, and overall you can get a nice picture about the original question of this topic. At least that's how it could be. I'm sorry, perhaps I didn't make my point clear. My point had nothing to do with cpu usage and/or reviews, it was about the use of the labels "fanboi" (or fanboy) and "hater" and nothing else. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned taste, being persecuted or labeled because you really like or dislike something imo only creates and promotes hostility. While language barriers may exist one thing for certain is that in any language it's possible to express your opinions and your reviews without having to be disrespectful, attack or persecute anyone. My post had nothing to do with what your personal reviews were based on, I just cannot see why some people cannot share opinions and reviews in a respectful and meaningful way. Having been called a hater out of nowhere myself when in fact those who know me know that is a misnomer it's something I think is way out of line and that is a two way street (ie labeling someone a fanboi because they really like something). Using terms that are obviously intended to be of an offensive manner will never add to a debate or a conversation, but they can interrupt what might be a productive debate or discussion. Once it reaches that point it's no longer people talking together but people talking at each other and thus becomes a waste of time as everyone is talking and no one is listening. I totally agree with your above post and that is how it should be, unfortunately (albeit a small percentage of posters) once such terms start flying it brings down the reputation of not only the poster but KvR. If you look over this thread (and other like it) you will see like in many such threads people are stereotyping KvR and it's members because of the few who choose not share their reviews and points in a respectful and meaningful manner. Personally I am here to learn and to share, not be judged or stereotyped nor do I want to judge or stereotype others. Frankly I'm not sure why people who almost always have something negative to say about KvR keep returning if it's so bad. ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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+1000 to Hink. I'm laying low in this thread because of all the negativity, its like tar, you touch it and it sticks to you too, better not to engage in that mentality at all. I'm sorry for any defensiveness I showed in this thread that contributed to it all. There have been some nice posts since I shut up, I should have tried that sooner |
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chk071 wrote: play the same sound and check how the VST performance is.
I think (and I might be wrong) what Tony was suggesting is that assuming that the 2-3 VST performance meters are actually measuring and displaying the same things might be a bit of an error... so testing with one plug reading 10% in X and another reading 18% in Y doesn't necessarily mean - comparatively - what the meters say... unless the 2-3 VST meters are measuring, are built to measure and display, the exact same things in the same way. Not saying that to dismiss any perception of anyone's testing, but only to say there are a lot of heated debates around the net that are sometimes (not suggesting in your case) based on faulty testing or bad assumptions, in some cases. I still think Reaper is a bit more efficient than most, if not all, and it's certainly less memory hungry (by itself, the app) than most. So one thing really has nothing to do with the other, unless someone is debating the results of a flawed test... and that happens more than you may think. I mean, a person could still be right about a premise, just maybe not right based on the reasons being given. See the multitude of newbies running around doing null tests and similar, having no clue what they're even looking at or how to measure something like that definitively. It's the net. It's pretty common. Anyway, I hope I didn't contribute any negativity to all this. I never used any of the hot button words being tossed around, fanboy, hateboy, whatever. I also don't recall seeing very many DAW poll discussions that ended well. |
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So basically noone is qualified enough to make a fair 1:1 comparison of hosts to determine which is the most CPU efficient, i see.
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highkoo wrote: Which host handles automation most efficiently?
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chk071 wrote: So basically noone is qualified enough to make a fair 1:1 comparison of hosts to determine which is the most CPU efficient, i see.
[/sarcasm] @ tony tony chopper: No, i surely didn't use only one plugin in my hosts. It was an example just, not to be taken word by word. who's noone? [/sarcasm˛] ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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One would also have to benchmark the computer one is using for these tests don't forget. My computer may handle things better than someone else's... ---- Barry The man who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran http://www.ambientonline.org/ |
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I've just voted for Reaper and it's obvious it's the best host in the whole world.
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trimph1 wrote: One would also have to benchmark the computer one is using for these tests don't forget. My computer may handle things better than someone else's... ![]() ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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Hink wrote: trimph1 wrote: One would also have to benchmark the computer one is using for these tests don't forget. My computer may handle things better than someone else's... ![]() ---- Barry The man who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran http://www.ambientonline.org/ |
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Thing is, if there's a lot of guys posting their experience about Reaper performing better on their system than the other hosts they tried, you don't have to figure out some pedantic system to measure pc's performance compared to each other or anything. But well, i feel it's kinda pointless to go on argueing. Some people only believe what they want to believe, it's a question of attitude. |
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