Ok. I was about buying the Studer uad but i think i'll wait...Urs wrote:Look, it's not gonna be like the others. For instance, it does the 80ies vocal compression trick that none of the other tape emus do afaiaa.
It's not just tape - it's "all of tape and beyond"
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- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 14 Oct, 2006 from france
- KVRAF
- 2083 posts since 28 Feb, 2011
This will be the only U-He vst that I'm not holding my breath for, not because it won't be fab, but because I will never get over the damage tape did to my recordings over the years (my recordings were made on a TEAC A-3340S) and to my brain as a result. As if the flutter and hiss weren't enough, to make matters worse, water damage has since destroyed the oxides, making them unlistenable
I don't miss tape at all, but then I didn't record at the Automatt!
I don't miss tape at all, but then I didn't record at the Automatt!
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 8 Aug, 2010 from London, UK
Never doubted you for a secondUrs wrote:Look, it's not gonna be like the others. For instance, it does the 80ies vocal compression trick that none of the other tape emus do afaiaa.
It's not just tape - it's "all of tape and beyond"
- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
That's the perfect goal of a tape simulation for me. Not exactly to emulate tape with all it's flaws which may or may not fit your ideas for your current project, but to extract those qualia that make certain aspects of tape recordings desirable and exploit them to the Nth degree, possibly in isolation so the end result may not even sound like "tape" exactly, but is warmer and more organic.iamyourfather wrote:Never doubted you for a secondUrs wrote:Look, it's not gonna be like the others. For instance, it does the 80ies vocal compression trick that none of the other tape emus do afaiaa.
It's not just tape - it's "all of tape and beyond"
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- KVRAF
- 6329 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
I have the "alpha" version of this that Sascha did for Magix called AM-Track.
I am excited about this since Sascha is extremely talented.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/am_track_by_magix
I am excited about this since Sascha is extremely talented.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/am_track_by_magix
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from Berlin, Germany
FrantzM wrote:I have the "alpha" version of this that Sascha did for Magix called AM-Track.
Nah, no 'alpha'. Not even close.
AM-Track is 'ok' from my today's perspective. Has become sort of classic among the Samplitude user base, perhaps for a reason, dunno. I couldn't do better back then (2003 mainly!). But we devs also wade through deep learning processes all the time, and so I wouldn't want to repeat prior work. What bothers me a lot is that it isn't oversampled, therefore it doesn't emulate a 'real' magnetic hysteresis curve driven by HF bias. But for a tracking plug that consumes almost no CPU it's still pretty good, I think. But tape emulation has come a long way in the meantime, as has research on the topic. And, computers have so much power these days that you can mimic a lot more of the tape aspects and ingredients which matter a lot in getting the 'glue', 'gel' and 'smear' and 'oomph' that is so charming about that medium, apart from simply distorting things.
That being said, I can't comment more on Satin *at this time*, as I'm in the middle of development here, among other projects, and I don't want to put too much pressure on myself. I hate doing things in a hurry, so I take my time in constantly thinking stuff over and trash ideas when they don't seem work out right, and change perspective or try differently. I'm perhaps only good at empirical programming, but happy they let me do it at u-he
Sascha Eversmeier
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
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twolegstoneworks twolegstoneworks https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7585
- KVRian
- 1418 posts since 12 Jun, 2003 from Denmark
Is "Satin" going to be part of the Uhbik-bundle?
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from Berlin, Germany
Nope, it's got nothing to do with any uhbik. As Urs said, it's gonna be beyond tape, so it'll probaly mature as something bulkier than already foreseen here
Sascha Eversmeier
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
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twolegstoneworks twolegstoneworks https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7585
- KVRian
- 1418 posts since 12 Jun, 2003 from Denmark
Ok. Cool. I'll start putting some money aside for this then!sascha wrote:Nope, it's got nothing to do with any uhbik. As Urs said, it's gonna be beyond tape, so it'll probaly mature as something bulkier than already foreseen here
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- KVRAF
- 1622 posts since 10 Jul, 2006 from Paris, France
Glad to know that.sascha wrote:Nope, it's got nothing to do with any uhbik. As Urs said, it's gonna be beyond tape, so it'll probaly mature as something bulkier than already foreseen here
- KVRAF
- 6329 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
I was joking about the alpha comment. Satin sounds very promising. We are all struggling to get a little analog magic into our digital worlds. I am wondering if it will consume too much CPU for my ancient Core 2 Duo. (I will upgrade to a new PC sometime this year.)sascha wrote: Nah, no 'alpha'. Not even close.
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The_Hidden_Goose The_Hidden_Goose https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10878
- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Dec, 2003 from Birmingham-ish, UK (Tamworth, but shhh!)
I'll be watching out for this for sure.
What I'd really like though, is a software version of my old knackered tape recorder that couldn't erase when recording, so I ended up with a smeared overdub kinda effect. Do that over and over and get some nice muffled William Basinski-esque loops.
Have't got that recorder anymore since it finally gave up the ghost - long before I realised the potential creative uses of a broken tape recorder!
That would be great for me - a smearing, imperfect tape overdubber!
Unless anyone knows how I can butcher a working tape recorder to do this....?
What I'd really like though, is a software version of my old knackered tape recorder that couldn't erase when recording, so I ended up with a smeared overdub kinda effect. Do that over and over and get some nice muffled William Basinski-esque loops.
Have't got that recorder anymore since it finally gave up the ghost - long before I realised the potential creative uses of a broken tape recorder!
That would be great for me - a smearing, imperfect tape overdubber!
Unless anyone knows how I can butcher a working tape recorder to do this....?
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- KVRAF
- 2083 posts since 28 Feb, 2011
Could we be headed in a channel strip or mastering suite direction here?
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- KVRAF
- 1622 posts since 10 Jul, 2006 from Paris, France
Can I say I'd like to see it this way ?Gonga wrote:Could we be headed in a channel strip or mastering suite direction here?
Even if it takes the whole year to come out.
A combination of advanced tape, vari-mu tube compression and clipping/limiting with transient enhancement algorithms ?
Where do I sign :p ?!
EDIT : Well, in a mastering package, you need an EQ too... So, let's say some parallel tube powered EQ .
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- KVRian
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
me too /signedK-Slash wrote:Can I say I'd like to see it this way ?Gonga wrote:Could we be headed in a channel strip or mastering suite direction here?
Even if it takes the whole year to come out.
A combination of advanced tape, vari-mu tube compression and clipping/limiting with transient enhancement algorithms ?
Where do I sign :p ?!