Placement of Auralex Panels in Studio
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
I've just watched this brilliant video on where to place my sound diffusing tiles, however I'm still a little confused.
The guy starts off by saying if funds are tight, place a few panels directly between the monitors. Ok cool, sounds reasonable. However, my studio is in the corner of the room unfortunately. This means I have one speaker right in the corner which obviously means a wall to the left and behind. Reflections will be coming from this wall as well.
So given that i've spent a bucketload in the studio recently and money is therefore tight, I can do either behind the speakers or on the side wall.
Which do you suggest I do first?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3q5kQjMAbc
EDIT: I suppose I could do a half arsed temporary job with only a few tiles on each. But aesthetically that would look rubbish and i'm a bit OCD with things like that
The guy starts off by saying if funds are tight, place a few panels directly between the monitors. Ok cool, sounds reasonable. However, my studio is in the corner of the room unfortunately. This means I have one speaker right in the corner which obviously means a wall to the left and behind. Reflections will be coming from this wall as well.
So given that i've spent a bucketload in the studio recently and money is therefore tight, I can do either behind the speakers or on the side wall.
Which do you suggest I do first?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3q5kQjMAbc
EDIT: I suppose I could do a half arsed temporary job with only a few tiles on each. But aesthetically that would look rubbish and i'm a bit OCD with things like that
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
If you have a speaker placed right in the corner, a few tiles aren't going to help with the mid-bass room gain. Those thin little foams tiles only start to absorb in the upper midrange. If possible, position the speakers as far away from the corner/walls and close to you as possible. And consider making a bass trap to fill the corner. Do you have room pics/measurements?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Interesting. Wasn't aware of that.mandolarian wrote:If you have a speaker placed right in the corner, a few tiles aren't going to help with the mid-bass room gain. Those thin little foams tiles only start to absorb in the upper midrange.
Unfortunately this isnt really possible, although they are maybe 10cm away from each wall. So definitely not bang up against it. Nevertheless not ideal I realise, although there is very little I can do about it.mandolarian wrote:If possible, position the speakers as far away from the corner/walls and close to you as possible.
That would be helpful I'm sure. Will try to get a pic up in a few minutes.mandolarian wrote:Do you have room pics/measurements?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y6nl4o5pzrzm2 ... 4%2006.jpg
Dont know why the pic doesnt link directly
Anyway, old pic but you get the er, picture.
Rear wall to window is two feet, into which 2 panels could fit.
Left monitor is ~10cm from each wall.
Right monitor is ~10cm from rear wall.
Dont know why the pic doesnt link directly
Anyway, old pic but you get the er, picture.
Rear wall to window is two feet, into which 2 panels could fit.
Left monitor is ~10cm from each wall.
Right monitor is ~10cm from rear wall.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRian
- 1290 posts since 13 Mar, 2007
That is a small , challenging room . I would hazard a guess that a moderate amount of room correction eq could be in the cards even after some acoustic treatments have been applied ( especially for early reflections )...I can only suggest that you put a hold on further gear lust , save you $$$ for the next few months , find the stereophile and acoustics forums and read this before you make your next move .
http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproductio ... 731&sr=8-1
This place http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/ ( home theature Shack ) might not seem like an intuitive place to be , but there is Donationware room measuring program there that along with a $50 measurment mic ( small capsule omni) can be of great help in digging into reasons why mixes made in an environment do not translate . There is also a wealth of infos and whites papers over at the Genelec site .
The last so called words of wisdom I'd leave you with are these ; sound moves at something around 750 MPH. Nearfeild monitoring DOES NOT make the room a non-sequitor !!
Best of luck Mushy
http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproductio ... 731&sr=8-1
This place http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/ ( home theature Shack ) might not seem like an intuitive place to be , but there is Donationware room measuring program there that along with a $50 measurment mic ( small capsule omni) can be of great help in digging into reasons why mixes made in an environment do not translate . There is also a wealth of infos and whites papers over at the Genelec site .
The last so called words of wisdom I'd leave you with are these ; sound moves at something around 750 MPH. Nearfeild monitoring DOES NOT make the room a non-sequitor !!
Best of luck Mushy
Financial solvency and KVR Mix as well as oil and water.
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- KVRian
- 1278 posts since 9 Jan, 2013 from morf
This article is quite interesting.
http://www.alexandermagazine.com/record ... 4/bass.htm
http://www.alexandermagazine.com/record ... 4/bass.htm
- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Saw the pic. Haven't been able to stop the tears as easily.Mushy Mushy wrote: Dont know why the pic doesnt link directly
Anyway, old pic but you get the er, picture.
Rear wall to window is two feet, into which 2 panels could fit.
Left monitor is ~10cm from each wall.
Right monitor is ~10cm from rear wall.
You're going to get a wall of hurt. Or at least your left ear will. Ouch.
The quick and nasty workaround is to turn the desk so it fits in the corner diagonally. This won't solve the wall/window proximity issue, but could allow a more stable stereo image. It seems the speakers on stands, so you could move those closer to you and toe them in 20-30 degrees.
This diagonal desk arrangement would then allow you to insert a corner bass trap / wideband absorber, that you can build fairly cheaply and without many power tools. Or none at all with a little planning. (I can provide construction tips and links if you want)
If you must keep the speakers 10cm from the wall, then monitor on headphones and only turn on the speakers to annoy yourself and others. Don't bother with the foam 'acoustic' tiles. You need a wideband solution, which is $$$, unless you build it yourself.
Good luck with the studio 'reno'.
perception: the stuff reality is made of.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Agreed. IKMM ARC was/is next on the list. Need to get the room sorted firstcontrary wrote:a moderate amount of room correction eq could be in the cards even after some acoustic treatments have been applied
Wicked. Found this on iTunes so will buy today. Much thankscontrary wrote:read this
http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproductio ... 731&sr=8-1
Great suggestion but I think i'll go with ARC. Clearly they know what they're doing in this area.contrary wrote:This place http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/ ( home theature Shack ) might not seem like an intuitive place to be , but there is Donationware room measuring program there that along with a $50 measurment mic ( small capsule omni) can be of great help in digging into reasons why mixes made in an environment do not translate
Yeah I know mate, but until I buy my own place i'm stuck with this unfortunately.contrary wrote:The last so called words of wisdom I'd leave you with are these ; sound moves at something around 750 MPH. Nearfeild monitoring DOES NOT make the room a non-sequitor !!
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
LOL. Thanks matemandolarian wrote:Saw the pic. Haven't been able to stop the tears as easily.
You're going to get a wall of hurt. Or at least your left ear will. Ouch.
Unfortunately turning the desk isnt an option. Directly to the right of the desk is my Mackie 32:8 and then directly next to this is a wardrobe. I've thought long and hard about how I could reorganise everything and there are very few practical optionsmandolarian wrote:The quick and nasty workaround is to turn the desk so it fits in the corner diagonally. This won't solve the wall/window proximity issue, but could allow a more stable stereo image. It seems the speakers on stands, so you could move those closer to you and toe them in 20-30 degrees.
This diagonal desk arrangement would then allow you to insert a corner bass trap / wideband absorber, that you can build fairly cheaply and without many power tools. Or none at all with a little planning. (I can provide construction tips and links if you want)
The funny thing is my current mixes arent terrible. They're not brilliant either, but I've been able to work around the current limitations. I will continue to work using monitors simply because I don't like using headphones. Thats just personal preference though.mandolarian wrote:If you must keep the speakers 10cm from the wall, then monitor on headphones and only turn on the speakers to annoy yourself and others. Don't bother with the foam 'acoustic' tiles. You need a wideband solution, which is $$$, unless you build it yourself.
Thanks. This is turning out to be much harder than I thoughtmandolarian wrote:Good luck with the studio 'reno'.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
- KVRAF
- 7903 posts since 24 May, 2009 from Nationalism isn't my thing...
It seems a lot of us are stuck in corners.
Thankfully I'm a little further away from the very corner (~40cm), but I'm still pretty close, which is why I'll be building a dedicated music desk at an angle. Not everyone has that option, though.
ARC is in the cards for me, too.
Thankfully I'm a little further away from the very corner (~40cm), but I'm still pretty close, which is why I'll be building a dedicated music desk at an angle. Not everyone has that option, though.
ARC is in the cards for me, too.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I'm in a corner but thankfully the one wall I have to worry about is a half wall and the room my studio is in is also one step higher than the living room so my monitors are above the half wall.
mandolarian, the man to go to for sound treatment questions
mandolarian, the man to go to for sound treatment questions
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Ok, you probably won't like my ceiling mount idea for the 32:8 either, so I won't mention it. But, how many precious inches can you move the desk to right? You could build a self-standing wideband absorber panel to cover the left wall. Or if you're set on Auralex, go for their VENUS or LENRD with VersaTile and/or Sunburst wideband products. Also consider moving the speakers forward too. Please. It's the humane thing to do.Mushy Mushy wrote:Unfortunately turning the desk isnt an option. Directly to the right of the desk is my Mackie 32:8 and then directly next to this is a wardrobe. I've thought long and hard about how I could reorganise everything and there are very few practical options
perception: the stuff reality is made of.
- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Thanks, Hink! If you need questions about sound treatment, I'm you're guy. For answers, well, there's always more questions.Hink wrote:I'm in a corner but thankfully the one wall I have to worry about is a half wall and the room my studio is in is also one step higher than the living room so my monitors are above the half wall.
mandolarian, the man to go to for sound treatment questions
perception: the stuff reality is made of.