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bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:22 am

adenozin wrote:
bharris22 wrote:is there any benefit to buying Harmless if you already own Harmor?
I know i'm not Gol but I have both and use them side by side on many of my tracks.

Harmless is awesome in its' own right, instant gratification ! And you can do stuff with it would be waaaaaay more tedious to do with harmor.

In general if I need something that sounds cool I'll use harmless, if I need something that sounds "complex" like a crazy pad, a texture or a heavily modulated bass I'll fire up his big brother

Excellent advice - thank you very much! Will likely purchase tomorrow

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Plus, looking on the Image-Line forum, it appears there are many more user presets for Harmless than there are for Harmor.

ferez21 · Post by **ferez21** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:27 am

bharris22 wrote:
adenozin wrote:
bharris22 wrote:is there any benefit to buying Harmless if you already own Harmor?
I know i'm not Gol but I have both and use them side by side on many of my tracks.

Harmless is awesome in its' own right, instant gratification ! And you can do stuff with it would be waaaaaay more tedious to do with harmor.

In general if I need something that sounds cool I'll use harmless, if I need something that sounds "complex" like a crazy pad, a texture or a heavily modulated bass I'll fire up his big brother
Excellent advice - thank you very much! Will likely purchase tomorrow .

Plus, looking on the Image-Line forum, it appears there are many more user presets for Harmless than there are for Harmor.

Harmor is younger brother actually (birthdate wise), thats why it got less presets.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:35 am

@TonyTony - can you please comment on the Harmless question above? In other words, is there any benefit to buying Harmless if you already own Harmor?

in theory, Harmor can do everything that Harmless does. In practice, we could hardly port the best Harmless presets to Harmor. Harmor is a lot more complex, chances are that if you made a nice preset using Harmless, you wouldn't have made it using Harmor, even if it's possible.

ferez21 · Post by **ferez21** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:40 am

tony tony chopper wrote:
@TonyTony - can you please comment on the Harmless question above? In other words, is there any benefit to buying Harmless if you already own Harmor?

in theory, Harmor can do everything that Harmless does. In practice, we could hardly port the best Harmless presets to Harmor. Harmor is a lot more complex, chances are that if you made a nice preset using Harmless, you wouldn't have made it using Harmor, even if it's possible.

In a sentence, different workflow leads to create different sounds on each of the synths.

engine · Post by **engine** » Fri May 03, 2013 1:14 am

directwave and drumsynth or drumaxx.

AND if it would be possible to convert it to vst,
Granulizer 1000000%.

Cygnus X-1 · Post by **Cygnus X-1** » Fri May 03, 2013 4:03 am

I just learned about this JRR sale today, got Harmor, ended up costing $49.72 after an additional (automatic) groupbuy coupon. That's a heck of a deal for such synth. I guess I now know how the weekend will be spent

I have Komplete and Razor so I thought other products will be too much of an overlap, although I always had a soft spot for Sytrus and thought it sounded much better than FM8. Well, if this sale will go till the end of May, I am not sure I'll be able to resist

adenozin · Post by **adenozin** » Fri May 03, 2013 9:56 am

bharris22 wrote:
Excellent advice - thank you very much! Will likely purchase tomorrow .

np ! Hope you have fun with it

Cygnus X-1 · Post by **Cygnus X-1** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:54 pm

Can anyone tell me how to add a bank of presets to Harmor? I don't have FL, and the best I could do after I downloaded Arksun presets is to load just one preset at a time.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Fri May 03, 2013 1:24 pm

Cygnus X-1 wrote:Can anyone tell me how to add a bank of presets to Harmor? I don't have FL, and the best I could do after I downloaded Arksun presets is to load just one preset at a time.

Isn't there a folder in /%user%/Appdata/Roaming/Image Line/Harmor/ ?

Assuming you're on windows. It's either there or in Program Data/Image Line/Harmor/ or /Program Files/Image Line/Harmor/.

satYatunes · Post by **satYatunes** » Fri May 03, 2013 1:54 pm

^^^ Move all of them to "Presets" folder. You can find it in Program files > Image-line > IL Harmor > Presets. Once done, it would show up in the plugin browser.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Fri May 03, 2013 4:31 pm

satYatunes wrote:^^^ Move all of them to "Presets" folder. You can find it in Program files > Image-line > IL Harmor > Presets. Once done, it would show up in the plugin browser.

Yeah, sorry for the mess. Program Files (x86)/Image Line/IL Harmor/Presets/ it is.

The menu structure is two levels deep. The first folder gets displayed as a seperator with the folder title, second level as a pop-out list, third level folder gets displayed as a seperator within the pop out list.

I put all the factory preset folders into a 'Factory' folder and any additional soundset in their own folder. That way I get a list of soundsets and their sub-categories in the main preset menu and seperate pop-outs for the soundset categories. If that makes any sense...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 03, 2013 5:10 pm

Harmor is like the big brother of Ogun and Harmless, so I don't really see the need for either of those as I got Harmor.

Sakura looks interesting, but as I already got AAS String Studio, I guess I'm covered for string modelling plugins?

Can Sakura do something the AAS plugin can't?

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri May 03, 2013 5:14 pm

Numanoid wrote:Harmor is like the big brother of Ogun and Harmless, so I don't really see the need for either of those as I got Harmor.

Sakura looks interesting, but as I already got AAS String Studio, I guess I'm covered for string modelling plugins?

Can Sakura do something the AAS plugin can't?

AAS String Studio is much better (better sound quality and more features) than Sakura IMO...

ferez21 · Post by **ferez21** » Fri May 03, 2013 5:16 pm

Numanoid wrote:Harmor is like the big brother of Ogun and Harmless, so I don't really see the need for either of those as I got Harmor.

Sakura looks interesting, but as I already got AAS String Studio, I guess I'm covered for string modelling plugins?

Can Sakura do something the AAS plugin can't?

As i said, different workflows will yield different results, and Harmless is a perfect companion to Harmor, especially at this rediculus price.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 03, 2013 5:20 pm

ferez21 wrote:As i said, different workflows will yield different results, and Harmless is a perfect companion to Harmor, especially at this rediculus price.

You got a point there, just realized that it's just $31 (and -15%), so yeah, I'll go for it I think

Then I'll think a bit more about Ogun...

Which Image-Line plugins would you get? (end of the world sale)