Which synth is killing Sylenth1?
- KVRAF
- 7402 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Even if Spire uses the same amount of CPU as Sylenth, it still sounds thin and ultra clean compared to Sylenth. I just tried the demo again after selling it and my feelings haven't changed on that. I still think Z3TA is the best option and is actually closest sounding to a Virus (which is actually what I wanted Sylenth for originally). May buy Sylenth again if it's updated to 64 bit though as there is still nothing that sounds like it. Spire surely is not an alternative, not even close.
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- KVRAF
- 3340 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
i hear you, but...i think spire is the 21st-century sylenth; i.e. not the same sound, but a more-modern version. and i like that...djanthonyw wrote:Even if Spire uses the same amount of CPU as Sylenth, it still sounds thin and ultra clean compared to Sylenth. I just tried the demo again after selling it and my feelings haven't changed on that. I still think Z3TA is the best option and is actually closest sounding to a Virus (which is actually what I wanted Sylenth for originally). May buy Sylenth again if it's updated to 64 bit though as there is still nothing that sounds like it. Spire surely is not an alternative, not even close.
z3ta +2; i returned it, it never played well in logic 9; sync issues, etc. personally, i think spire blows it away.
all of this is subjective (which is what makes it fun).
- KVRAF
- 7402 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Yes, but if a more modern version means thinner sounding, I'm all set with that.
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- KVRAF
- 3340 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
seriously tho...spire is also: harder, denser; pads are definitely deeper. there's more animation, more definition. anyway, it's the music that matters, and good music with S1 trumps bad music with spire. am NOT missing S1 (but again, may add it back later).djanthonyw wrote:Yes, but if a more modern version means thinner sounding, I'm all set with that.
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- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
I am curious how Dune 2 will sound, and behave in terms of CPU. Should be out any month now...
- KVRAF
- 10339 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
As a long-time owner of both, I would say that, yeah, Z3TA1/2 is the soft synth that reminds me the most of my Viruses.djanthonyw wrote:I still think Z3TA is the best option and is actually closest sounding to a Virus
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- KVRAF
- 1656 posts since 18 Feb, 2012
Why all the hassle about this? Sylenth1 can't do things which Spire can and Spire can't do things which sound as good with Sylenth1. So, on end...it's best to have both of them since they compliment each other perfectly! Add Diva and Zebra to those two and you are good to go for making music in next 100 years!!!
- KVRAF
- 10671 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
If you added all that, my quad core would die.......................
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- KVRian
- 686 posts since 23 Dec, 2012
TForce Alpha plus from Mastrcode. That can kill Sylenth according to my ears.
- KVRAF
- 4983 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
You don't use a raw output from a synth, do you? I don't remember when I used just a plain oscillator sound, tbh.djanthonyw wrote:Yes, but if a more modern version means thinner sounding, I'm all set with that.
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- KVRAF
- 7793 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
Without reading all these responses...I read that if Sylenth1 was made to do all the things most people want (like PWM for one) it would suffer in some other sense.
It is fine-tuned a certain way, and till it is re-written, that's it...all you get.
It is fine-tuned a certain way, and till it is re-written, that's it...all you get.
- KVRAF
- 7402 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Generally you want to use options that are closest to the end result, similar to using a piano VI for example. The idea isn't to rely on a bunch of EQing and 'fixing it in post'.Igro wrote:You don't use a raw output from a synth, do you? I don't remember when I used just a plain oscillator sound, tbh.djanthonyw wrote:Yes, but if a more modern version means thinner sounding, I'm all set with that.
Even taking this into consideration, listen to audio demos from both synths by the same preset design... Aiyn Zahev would be a good example. By comparison Spire sounds thin, thin, thin.... oh, and did I mention thin? I'm sure he knows what he is doing in post production too. Yes, it sounds very hi-fi, and I'm not saying the tone sounds bad, but it's thin... to the point of listening to it after a while hurts my ears.
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- KVRAF
- 4983 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
I got your point. But this synth IS a sort of digital perfection. Some ppl likes it, some not. I don't have it. What you are referring to thinness, is just a linear symmetrical sound (if no effect were used). But that's not always bad. Sometimes you want to add something digital, lifeless, robotic. I use NI Razor for that.djanthonyw wrote:Generally you want to use options that are closest to the end result, similar to using a piano VI for example. The idea isn't to rely on a bunch of EQing and 'fixing it in post'.Igro wrote:You don't use a raw output from a synth, do you? I don't remember when I used just a plain oscillator sound, tbh.djanthonyw wrote:Yes, but if a more modern version means thinner sounding, I'm all set with that.
Even taking this into consideration, listen to audio demos from both synths by the same preset design... Aiyn Zahev would be a good example. By comparison Spire sounds thin, thin, thin.... oh, and did I mention thin? I'm sure he knows what he is doing in post production too. Yes, it sounds very hi-fi, and I'm not saying the tone sounds bad, but it's thin... to the point of listening to it after a while hurts my ears.
This digital perfection is just the same as the contemporary EDM music. Lifeless. Still phat, veeeeery phat, but lifeless.
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Good point, and valid for most synths imo. That's why you'll never be able to fully replace one with another, because it always will be different.Examigan wrote:Without reading all these responses...I read that if Sylenth1 was made to do all the things most people want (like PWM for one) it would suffer in some other sense.
It is fine-tuned a certain way, and till it is re-written, that's it...all you get.
Also a question whether there's not made too much hype about certain synths like Sylenth and the Virus. I haven't tested either of these, but often read that they're not so much better than others, but have a hype in certain music styles, have a lot of presets, or are simply used much.